UK and the EU

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    I was erring on voting out, but now Boris has put his oar in.
    So this brings up the prospect of a OUT vote making Boris PM, in due course, when Cameron gets the boot for being on the losing side.

    I'm sure cameron has put him up to it, its a tory plot to get us to vote IN.:biggrin:
     
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      Cameron has already stated previously, and today in Parliament, that he will not stand for Prime Minister in the next General Election, Pete, so, whether we vote Yes or No, Boris will be a prime candidate for Leader of the Conservative Party:dunno: I doubt if Cameron will resign or will be pressured by his MP's to do so should the UK vote Out. This vote will not be Party against Party taken in Parliament where a Prime Minister is putting confidence in his Leadership on the line. But merely Cameron stating that the EU negotiations has produced results that he thinks are good enough to stay within the EU........but he's leaving the decision to the UK population. Also, while Boris is grabbing most of the Media attention, there is another person quietly waiting in the wings.......George Osborne. He would automatically take over as Prime Minister should Cameron decide to step down early before the General Election.:coffee::snork:
       
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        Hi @pete as Geoffrey Chaucer said "there is many a true word said in jest";)
         
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          Ok so lets have Geoffrey Chaucer for PM, whoever he is.;)
          Must be more sensible than Boris.

          I dont trust anyone who rides a bike because he thinks it makes him look good.
           
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            I know thats what has been said, and how it looks now.
            Just cant help thinking that a PM that was not supported by a referendum is on shaky ground, regardless of what he might say.
             
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            "Poet Geoffrey Chaucer was born circa 1340 in London, England. In 1357 he became a public servant to Countess Elizabeth of Ulster and continued in that capacity with the British court throughout his lifetime. The Canterbury Talesbecame his best known and most acclaimed work. He died October 25, 1400 in London, England, and was the first to be buried in Westminster Abbey’s Poet’s Corner."
             
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              Further, let's get control of our own destiny. Save £55 million a day. Get control of our borders. Create our own laws. Trade with the world with no restrictions. Regain our fishing grounds. Just pay one Parliament to not do what we want rather than two.
               
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                Ok, Ok. So we dig him up.
                Park him on a bench in the House of Commons and move him from time to time.
                No one will notice he's dead.
                Simple.:blue thumb:
                 
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                  We'd be having a General Election every time the Government lost in a vote in Parliament if that was the case, Pete:dunno::heehee: I think a line has to be drawn where there is a difference between a Vote taken in Parliament between political parties over a major issue and a Referendum where all votes are equal despite the "status" of the person and it is the general population deciding on the decision. As a Senior Manager I attended many meetings where a vote on a decision was taken and I was on the losing side..........but nobody had to stand down or resign because of it.:coffee:
                   
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                    In or out of the EU that will never happen, John, due to the fact that all countries have import and trading restrictions to stop imbalance or unfair dumping of cheaper goods.:dunno:
                    Again, we can only fish in co-operation with the other countries who are also fishing waters that we do. The Icelandic Fishing Wars were an example of what happens if we don't fish sensibly and with conservation of stocks in mind.:dunno:
                     
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                      No quite the same as a vote by members in the Commons though is it?
                      This is US voting against what he believes is right for the country.

                      So if we were to vote OUT, we would have a bloke running the country that thinks we are going in the wrong direction, not really a good start to a new beginning is it?
                       
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                      Apart from the EU it seems who allows China to dump its steel here.
                       
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                        Errr, how many Prime Ministers have we voted in who said they would lead us in the right direction to the "Land of Milk and Honey" and took the whole country into recession, wars, low employment, collapse of major industries, etc, over the decades??:doh::scratch::heehee:

                        I'm a Life long Labour man, Pete, but that doesn't automatically make a Prime Minister in an opposite party insincere, fraudulent, unable to govern safely with an eye on the country's future, [Oh, alright, in the last example, maybe Corbyn!!]. If say, Cameron stood down, then George Osborne would take over for the period up to the General Election.....and he wants to stay in the EU. So would Boris be the right choice?, another London based, very London orientated, Politician?
                         
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                          Let's say we leave the eu. Then we can put import tariffs on Chinese steel, so that within the UK, our steel industry has a chance. Then what though ? Britain becomes the most expensive country in the world to build anything in. I wonder how that would effect our other industries.
                           
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                            British Manufacturing companies do!!! They have the choice to buy "British" Steel or cheap imports. I can remember, years back, when Energy Companies started to bypass British coal and started to buy only cheap brown coal from the USA, and then later British Companies bought cheaply made steel plate from the USA and other countries.:dunno::coffee:
                             

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