UK and the EU

I wish! You know the old saying....be careful what you wish for........

 

I would have been surprise had the paper not been completely biased ..

 

I'm guilty of making assumptions. I didn't bother to read it because I saw the gov.uk part of the url and assumed it would be either heavily biased, lies, or any combination thereof.

 

Probably a combination thereof, still I think it's quite informative because it at least gives the (possible) basic facts about what the next steps would be if Brexit happened. I read it and I admit that I for once didn't know that any suggested agreement by the UK would need approval of at least 20 out of 27 EU member states. So for this kind of information, the paper is quite useful.

 

Yes shiney, absolutely right. I just wanted to give an example as to why I found the document interesting

 

I pretty sure George Osborne has already sold us to China recently, for a mere minus 2 billion (ie we pay China to own us). China is not in the eu.

 

I don't know anything about why the EU was formed. We have trade agreements for our continent but I do not believe we have anything near what you are talking about.

Guess I'll have to do some research about why the union was formed in the first place because the "open door" policies between countries seems to be a losing deal for Britain?

 

I didn't read it because I knew I wouldn't understand it.
Thanks for the simplification @shiney

I'm still confused as to how suddenly the government are saying it would be horrendous if we vote to leave, unyet, until Cameron had his friendly chat with the other 27 or so, he was going to advise us to vote to leave?
What has changed????

 

What's changed is that his eu counterparts have called his bluff, which wasn't difficult seeing as right from the start he went in witha few laughably weak polite requests and he publicly admitted before the negotiations were even complete that he hoped we'd vote to stay in.

Imagine how hard the other leaders must have laughed afterwards. Unless they didn't laugh, being too bamboozled because their best efforts to wind him up so they could point and laugh at his face going red with rage, just kept resulting in DC sheepishly saying 'yes, as you wish sirs and ma'ams' .

 

I think we all knew from the start that you cant actually negotiate with the EU.
They have their agenda, and one country on its own is peeing into the wind.

Which to my mind it's one very good reason to leave, and to hell with the consequences, easy to say I know, but would it really be that bad outside looking in.
Lets face it, we have been inside looking out for 40yrs.
And I don't think we ever achieved much in the way of swaying them from their domination.

Does anyone know if the French ever got it in the neck for not allowing us to export british beef?
Do the French ever get dragged over the coals for stopping free trade though Dover?
But we cant stop live exports of sheep to the EU, because its illegal to do so?

 

I don't remember any opposition to Europe prior to bliar signing everything over in the 1990s sometime. I personally would strongly support a European union of trade and alliance, in the same way I support the idea that I get on with my neighbours. But I don't like the way the eu dictates, much the same way as my friendship with my neighbours would quickly become difficult if they started dictating what I do with my own house and garden.

 

Much as I hated Blair, he was only being dragged along by it all.
Its the way it works, you either comply or they dictate, you can opt out but only if they allow you to, and then there a certain issues where you dont get an opt out.

We just take it all too seriously I guess.

We should just agree, as quite a lot of the countries do, and then just do our own thing, it works for most of them, but British, fair play and all that, tends to get in the way.

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.