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    The other alternative name I was suggested, when first investigating this, was the "Scotland Yellow" - Also similar in appearance to Golden Sunrise.

    I suspect there is no definitive way of knowing. Once I've been accepted on the Tomatoville forums, I'll make enquiries there about the Kenches Gold name again.
     
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    KenchesGoldRipe.JPG Picked and cut in half the first ripe fruit (as previous post) and also included some of the original batch of seeds which this was grown from:

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      Hooooray!!!!!! Finally a positive answer from 1 of the 2 bloggers I refer to in my earlier post. https://multiveg.wordpress.com/?s=kenches+gold

      They replied stating " I can’t remember much about the tomato. I obtained it from the Heritage Seed Library/Garden Organic (they have a presence on Facebook, so perhaps you could ask there). Their catalogue described it as an Intermediate. Cordon. It was donated and named after the donor’s grandfather. It is thought to date back to at least 1901 [the donor] days, “A delicious, sweet-fruited variety” and another grower agrees it is “a star performer!”

      I shall pursue this with HSL and have ordered one of their catalogues!: https://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/heritage
       
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        For those who will see the continuation of this thread:

        Last year I pursued tracing the illusive "Kenches Gold" by speaking with HSL. They confirmed they had had this variety, but had run out of them!

        HOWEVER - by end of season I had managed to collect 60 seeds from the successful fruit. I also did a seed swap with someone in the USA who sent me some Scotland Yellow seeds. I now have sown several of both varieties which have germinated and are at "2nd leaf stage" sitting on my bedroom window! a few weeks' time, and they will be transferred to the Greenhouse for "Project comparison"!
         
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          I'm impressed with how you've persevered with this.

          Do you know any wine makers? NOT for making tomato wine, but if the 2? varieties appear visually identical, and taste same/similar, with a refractometer you can verify the sugar content is identical and pH meter can confirm the acidities are identical (as higher sugar can mask higher acidity). These 2 attributes can differ hugely between varieties.

          I might get a bit 'techy' with my tomatoes, but that should sort out any differences short of a DNA test.
           
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          Unfortunately not, but techy is good by me! 2 offers: 1) I will be happy to mail you some seeds of both for you to trial and test, and/or 2) Would be happy to mail you some resulting fruits at the end of the year - I'm thinking in an egg cartoon overnight delivery (I'm not jesting!)

          Message me your email address if you are interested. (And, if I'm not mistaken, you can't make tomato wine, which I know you will know :snorky:)
           
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          If they prove to appear to be identical in all respects, then please do.
           
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          Umm... please do as in wait till fruited and send some then?, or please do send you some seeds to trial now?
           
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          Yes, my response might have been slightly ambiguous, you have a PM.
           
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          Scotland Yellow and "Kenches Gold" seedlings now about 40mm high.
           
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            Both my Kenches and Scotland are also doing well! Keep me posted.
             
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              All probably actually less than 40mm high now [1], due to my practice of continually burying them deeper and deeper whenever transplanted, but still on target for comparison.

              I'll equally split them between home and my plot to reduce risk of blight.


              [1] Lose track of some varieties as I have around 300 tomatoes growing.
               
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              @Chesterfieldgardener Update:

              Both KG & SY plants have been completely identical in the following respects:

              1) Appearance.

              2) Growth under artificial lights (some varieties respond differently, both grew well).

              3) Vigour.

              4) Leaf smell, yes some varieties leaves have a different smell!

              5) Reaction to stress [1].


              I have one of each growing in a polytunnel border, another 2 in open ground, 2 in pots and [1] another one of each were deliberately neglected to see if there was any difference. They seem identical so far, things like size of flower trusses to check next, then the fruits (colour, size, taste, pH and sugar content).
               
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              That's exactly the same here - plus some fruits on both at various sizes.

              Fingers crossed at our potential success!
               
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