UK and the EU

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  1. clueless1

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    Good point. I wonder how the eu referendum will affect that. It seems to me that it is mostly big companies that want to stay in, and small ones that want out. If we left, inevitably it would change the business 'landscape'. Would it be better for the independents or worse. Would they have a better chance of competing or worse? Personally, I'd like to see a resurgence of the independents. We have a few good ones locally and I know the supermarkets cause them pain.
     
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      Hi Clueless,

      I wanted to put a like, an agree and an informative and a friendly on this :)

      I think I'll settle for this one

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        It's just been on the news that if we leave, there will be 5 to 7 years of 'uncertainty' and that is a 'very long time'.

        Wasn't it 2007, ie 9 years ago when the current financial uncertainty began, across the whole eu?
         
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        We have had seven years of Conservative AUSTERITY so seven years of having it rough to be FREE would not be a problem would it?

        As for the Farmers, Well, At the moment we give £55m a day to the EU and they give back £8m to our farmers and £7m to us for roads etc = £15m

        If we did not give them the £55m then we could give our Farmers £8m spend £7m on roads etc
        and have £40m a day left over for NHS, FACTORIES and General services
        We could also accept who we wish to enter the country on OUR terms and who we actually want
        Make our own trade deals (Mnnn New Zealand lamb, Australian Butter, Indian products)

        Sell cars and Financial services to whom we wish

        Is Germany going to block selling us BMW, MERCEDES cars
        Is France and Spain going to stop selling us Wine
        Is Italy going to stop selling us Olives and wine

        NO

        MAJOR problem is Gibraltars 35k stay in votes for fear of Spain closing the border again
        I lived in Gibraltar for five years when the border was closed, and apart from no fresh milk and only Frozen meat, it was not a real problem
         
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          Yes, the recession started in the second quarter of 2008 after the downturn in 2007. Labour were in power then but the problem goes back further than 2007.

          It was caused by lack of foresight by the government in the preceding decade, or so, (so what's new?). The main problem was caused during the 1990's by the uncontrolled banking sector, the 'Lawson Boom', the unnecessary wish to stick to the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) and, worst of all, the sub-prime crisis caused by banks being allowed to lend more money than the economy and the people could afford.

          This was the cause of the ridiculous rise in house prices during that period because people could borrow almost any amount of money. Even I could see what the consequences would be of the quickly rising house prices in the 80's and managed to persuade two of my staff not to buy their houses then. At the end of the 80's the prices crashed and they were able to buy at a reasonable rate. I also predicted the slump in the mid noughties but didn't see the surge that would result from it with the Russians, Chinese and others buying the houses for investment (and somewhere to stash their 'extra' cash ;)).

          Although austerity hasn't done what it said it would (it has worked to a certain extent), we have moved into a situation of being better off than most of the EU.

          What to do about the economy? :scratch: Haven't the faintest!!! :dunno:

          What to do about In/Out? Also haven't the faintest, until we get more information than we're getting at the moment. :noidea:

          Scare tactics, from both sides, is still the order of the day. The whole thing is exacerbated by the migrant crisis and it's being used in the scare tactics. :sad:

          It appears as though the EU and Turkey have come to an agreement. From what I can make out, not much in the way of details yet (but I'm sure it will be all over the papers when you lot wake up :heehee:), but it seems as though they're heading towards Turkey, and the EU, stopping the migrants leaving Turkey, Turkey, possibly, returning all the migrants back to their countries (and stopping them crossing into Turkey) and the EU will take one Syrian from the camps in Turkey for each one turned back!

          Turkey is not asking for membership of the EU but for visa free travel to the Schengen areas.

          I think they're trying to work scare tactics on the migrants by saying that 'if you try to leave your country you won't be allowed into the EU but if you stay in a camp on your border you might get through'. Another scheme that doesn't seem to have been thought through properly :noidea: - but they may have sorted a lot more detail and not released it yet.
           
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            Good morning I have just heard on the news that there is to be a referendum concerning the EU,what's that all about:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
             
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              This is a moot point. For a week or two I've been looking for true disposable (as in allowing for cost of housing, basic grocery bag, energy etc.) but the only figures available are the usual net figures after tax. So on those figures we do well but as our cost of living is so high our disposable income is heavily swallowed up by the essentials leaving less true disposable income left over.
              One other thing to consider. Many large scale importers from outside of the EU have their EU headquarters based on the continent (most often The Netherlands). So for any trade deals post EU to work we will need to convince them that it worth opening up a UK division just for us.
               
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                There lots of things that don't get talked about on both side (townie and farmer), one farmer was saying he only made £9000 profit, and lots of people think how does he survise on £9000 a year, well that one is easy all he's living costs are put again the farm in he's accounts so the £9000 is profit after every thing has been paid for, most farmers will have good tax breaks, and even a few years ago farmers from over seas were buying farms in this crountry because of the better tax breaks
                 
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                  Hmmm, £8.5 billion per annum or £8 million/day?

                  Besides potential 'savings' to the UK, there's also the potential loss of income for the remainder of the EU, which from memory I've seen quoted as 12.5%, but it would actually be higher than that as I've worked in project teams downsizing organisations, and for example you can't reduce all overheads by 12.5% (for example, CEO's salary) and the churn costs of reducing office/parliament space would take years to provide any sort of saving, plus the costs of reducing other staff would also take some years to achieve any savings. If Leave is the outcome it will be a massive financial shock to the remainder of the EU, especially at a time when budgets will be under all sorts of pressures.
                   
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                    There is a solution to that problem @Scrungee, the eu leaders could have a sensible conversation to try to understand why so many, not just in Britain, feel let down by the 'union' instead of simply dictating, obstructing, and generally being buffoons.
                     
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                      There are some that say the EU will fall apart but I haven't seen any details of how they come to that conclusion.
                       
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                        I so hope they try to make me put one on my land. I really, really hope they do. Quite aside from thefact that I don't claim any funding of any kind for my small piece of land, being in the national park where planning is very tightly controlled, I wouldn't be granted planning permission for it. But if I did, that would be awesome, because then there would be a legitimate modern construction at the road side of my land, setting a good precedent to make a case for a planning application to build my dream eco house on my land, which would currently be refused on the basis that nothing has ever been built there except for traditional fencing.

                        Oh please eu tyrants, do me this one favour, make my case vastly stronger by having me put an ugly,non traditional construction on my land.
                         
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                          They could alway erect a second billboard next to it saying they were forced to put the first one there by the EU.
                          If its true, its the kind of thing that makes the EU unpopular, so bring it on.
                           
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