EU - Turkey deal

Interesting that in return for dealing with Syrian refugees, Turkey want their application to join the EU accelerated and want the right for their residents to have 'no visa' access to the EU by June (a co-incidence?).

I notice that Dave was very clear when being interviewed - none would come to the UK - too little too late I'm afraid Dave.

Also heard that we have run out of houses for asylum seekers - majority of Councils refusing to accept any migrants - I wonder if this is because they haven't got any money?

Something needs to be done before the British Isles sink into the sea.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911
This BBC article may put the very sad immigration crisis in perspective with a few facts - heaven forbid.

The UK takes less migrants pro rata than virtually the rest of Europe.

Now as spring approaches , maybe gardening et al will make better posting subjects

 

Oh Lord above! Where exactly are we going to house more immigrants/refugees? We haven't got enough housing for the British people let alone anymore foreigners.
Have you tried getting a doctors appointment recently? You can wait three weeks to see a GP at my surgery, the surgery is full of doctors but it's so over subscribed, last time I went there were more foreigners in the waiting room than Brits...it's a joke!
when I went to Addenbrooks for an asthma check up the waiting room there was full of foreigners all speaking their language.
Don't get me wrong I don't want to be mean to these people & I'm not racist but the system just cannot take anymore, having said that the 'system' is the very thing which is at fault....we couldn't go to a foreign country & get benefits, Health Service, Housed etc etc the Benefits/NHS/housing etc should only be avaliable to British Citizens. I honestly often wonder what on earth this country will be like in another 10 years!
Now climbing down from my hobby horse!

 

Speaking as someone who lives in the country that is second on that list, I wish the rest of the EU would take their fair share, or at the very least, follow existing EU rules.

I'll be pleased when Spring does arrive, and we can all talk more of gardening related matters.

 

I am also looking forward to topics moving on to gardening topics soon.

I understand where people are coming from, but some of the comments about foreigners in this and the other thread have properly upset me.

 

There is a big problem. Not just for Europe and Britain but clearly for the thousands of people migratingfrom the middle east.

Will the Turkey deal help? I really don't know. It seems to me that nobody wins this one.

It was on the news recently (bbc, not daily mail) that we are running out of housing capacity, partly dueto immigrants, but mostly simply because everyone needs somewhere to live and we haven't got enough.

But does that mean we should turn our backs? I don't think so.

I do think something has to be done though. It has been confirmed and is undisputed fact that many of the migrants are economic migrants, and not refugees. We need to make the distinction. If someone has bundled their family on an overcrowded, unseaworthy boat because they desperately judged that to be safer than staying at home, then they need international help. If they're heading here because they've heard they can earn 10 times as much as at home, we have to tell them no, apply through proper channels, when we're not overwhelmed. By 'we' by the way, I mean Britain and Europe collectively, because Britain is not really overwhelmed, yet.

The deal with Turkey, at face value, sounds , well I won't say good, but logical in the circumstances I think. Question is,is it legal, and do the participants have the resources to enact it.

 

And who works out what, and how many is a "fair share" for each country?
Are you saying Sweden has taken more than its "fair share"?

Harry's list is based on existing population, so the countries with the higher population are going to appear to be taking less, lies, dam lies and statistics.
And that is not counting the illegals entering countries without applying.

At the moment it appears half the world will be on the move soon, not all are refugees.
Economic migrants need to be deterred as it's unsustainable to expect the richer countries to take in all and sundry from the poorer countries of the world.

 

Can I just say that a lot of the trouble with housing stems ( in my experience, I will explain later ) from local council.

I live in Wyre Forest District Council area ( Kidderminster lost it's borough status in 1974 in the great Council/County shake up ).

On the estate where I live we have 3 blocks of high rise flats and also had 8 blocks of maisonettes. Now, some 5 years ago the council did a deal with Asda that meant Asda would provide over half the funds to redevelop our area along with a new supermarket on an ex-factory site. The work was started and the maisonettes were duly demolished. Then our wonderful council reneged on the deal telling Asda they had to build their new store on the top of a one way street hill on the edge of the town center where they would receive little trade unless you had a car and were prepared to negotiate the one way system.
So Asda have now refused to build a new store and our estate has lost around 160 homes as only around 30 new houses were built.

Also, the ex-factory site is still empty around 15 years after it closed down.

They are currently building a brand new leisure center when we already have the largest in Worcestershire ( this is going to be closed down and demolished to create yet another brownfield site ). A new 200 bedroom hotel when hotels in the area are struggling is also being planned rather than more housing.

They are also supposedly regenerating the town center with new paving and seating which has cost so far 2.2 million pounds. The town center now looks so grubby ( due to them using white brick like things which are now just dirty as traffic still uses the town after 4pm ) and the new seating is starting to go rusty after being there for just 2 months that we have been on the local news, both BBC and ITV and are slowly becoming the laughing stock if the midlands.

So, after all this, could councils do more to create more affordable housing or do we blame yet something else on the Government ?

 

Similar story up our way @Anthony Rogers

 

I didn't mean to cause any offence earlier & I apologise if I did, but as a tax payer & a born & bread British Citizen I do get very annoyed when I NEED to see a GP & can't get an appointment.
let's not let this thread upset the forum, it's only individual opinion & if we all agreed 100% of the time the world would be a very dull place indeed!

 

Hi Beckie I could also tell a good story about our doctors surgery.

My doctor has decided that he is only going to work 3 days one week and 2 the next, but, is still on the same salary as he was when he was doing 5 days every week.
All the other doctors have also reduced their hours and now the surgery is closing on Saturday mornings ( it used to be open 8-30 till 12-30 ).

Now, when the annual figures were published for the surgery it was disclosed that the top 3 doctors there were being paid around £66,000 per annum. By my reckoning by depleting their hours by half but keeping the same salary they have just given themselves a 100% pay rise.

Are we to blame the Government for this as well.