Weed membrane recommendations

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    ... I estimate I spent 8 hours last year weeding at home and in the allotment, so with extra benefit of conserving water it's well worth trying this stuff and planting through it for just about every crop I can think of.
     
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    But you wouldn't be able to bury the stems (which makes a BIG difference) if grown over membrane, unless you either made some cuts through it, and a single use cheap sheet would be best for that, or gradually rolled it back as the plant grew over it, although if I see more at half price it would only be £1.12 per giant marrow plant single use.

    I know how much time I spent weeding last year, probably less than one hour having a go a whatever came through the planting holes in ''mypex' type membranes.
     
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      If growing Sweetcorn through it, consider cutting a separate sheet just for them, as it's really difficult/impossible to extract their roots from the soil through it, and needs the membrane lifted around the perimeter to slice through them just underneath the sheet. Or just accept those areas are single use at a (full price) cost of 4p/plant.

      If you plant them in the middle of a sheet, you wont be able to deal with their roots until you've cropped everything on 3 sides of them, so avoid planting leeks one side and sowing parsnips the other side.
       
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        Thanks for the sweetcorn tip, I am planning to use it for those too.

        Have you ever tried it with potatoes?
         
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        Yes, from this thread http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/planting-through-weed-membrane.107645/

        mypex spudsA.jpg

        mypex spudsB.jpg

        Spuds are another crop that needs to be planted at the end of a sheet (or their own sheet) so you can get at them.

        Parsnips sown in bog roll tubes are ideal for planting through Mypex, and another crop that needs their own sheet or located at an end.

        Have some ant powder handy for getting rid of any nests under it.
         
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          I've grown most things through the membrane.

          Sweetcorn was no problem even on the main sheet as I grew it in a block at a corner of the sheet. At the end of the season I cut them off at ground level, then rolled the sheet back and lifted the roots out.

          When I used to grow potatoes I found that they didn't need earthing up (but grown in mounds) and grew them in a long row along one edge. I could then ease the membrane back, remove large potatoes by hand as the soil was friable and not muddy or compacted. Then put the sheet back down and let the smaller potatoes continue to grow.

          I grow giant onions through holes along the run of the runner beans in the hope of deterring aphids.

          Tomatoes, courgettes, squashes, all forms of beans are grown through the membrane and the membrane has lasted at least 10 years so far. It gets rolled back at the end of the season and compost dug in and then membrane rolled back into position again.
           
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            Good find, the 2 x 5m is a usefull size to minimize fixings and having planting holes at different spacing s in each sheet to move them around for crop rotation.

            Can't find what the g/m2 is, might weigh some in Lidl. According to their latest online leaflet they're in the Garden Offers that start on Monday 14th March
            http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?id=787 Lidl appear to have been selling them at this time of year since 2014, originally for £4.99, but I can't find any online reviews.

            P.S. I see that somebody's got an advert online, trying to re-sell the 10 x 1m sheets at £10 each + delivery!
             
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              The Lidl membrane is 90g/m2 according to the packaging.

              The store I checked in only had about 10 packs each of 10 x 1m and 5 x 2m.

              Lidl membrane is 10m2 x 90g/m2 =900g for £3.99 = £4.43/Kg

              I weighed Wilkos membrane @ 70g/m2, so 12m2 x 70g/m2 = 840g for £4.50 = £5.36/Kg.

              Lidl's stuff is therefore 20% better value, but if you find Wilkos membrane reduced by 50% towards the end of season that will be cheaper.
               
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                  @JWK How to you intend holding it down?


                  I'm going to use my £2.25 50% off sheet from Wilkos under 2 Giant Marrows and see how they compare with those grown on bare ground. I'll know whether it's worthwhile using before their September reductions come round again.
                   
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                    I read your ideas about making your own on the other thread, but I just don't have the time to do that at the moment. I've saved a fair bit on the membrane so I bought on ebay, a box full of plastic pegs types and 100 galvanised staples. The plastic pegs seem to work OK down on my allotment (the previous tenant had used them).

                    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171672061139

                    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171672031542
                     
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                    But, surely, that's not porous? :scratch:
                     
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                      I had some of this left on my plot by the previous tenant, it's very good at clearing beds prior to digging (suppressing weeds and keeping it dry). But it was bone dry underneath after it had been down for a couple of months so I have the same concerns as shiney if you used it for growing veggies.
                       
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