UK and the EU

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  1. ARMANDII

    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    But as has been said.......whenever have the IMF ever been right in their predictions:dunno::doh::heehee:
     
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      Dunno, ..........I think they also said it might rain tomorrow.:biggrin:
       
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      So in essence, the man from the IMF is hinting that the UK currently props up the global economy, but is worried we might stop? Is that a fair assessment of what he said? I never heard the full piece on the news.
       
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      No I did't actually hear it all, but your assumption is not far from what he was saying.
      Perhaps propping up the global economy is going a bit far:snork:.

      But could have effects in other countries not actually in the EU.
       
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      Yeah, but they were forecasting that for the Atacama Desert, Pete:dunno::doh::heehee:
       
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        Well! They had 1mm of rain 35 years ago :blue thumb: :heehee: So they may have got it right once. :lunapic 130165696578242 5:

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          Had our booklet from gov :snork: £9.3 million :spam: it's to glosses for toilet paper:rolleyespink:, and now the goverment is stopping funding for local pharmacys, progress, locals that have shut, post office,bank,hospital,schools but we do have 4 pubs:sad:, 5 miles to post a letter,10 miles to GP's, school and bank, 30 miles to hospital :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::ThankYou:
           
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            I must admit that initially, my head was saying that we need to stay in (purely so the economic boat isn't rocked whilst we are still essentially recovering from a double-dip recession), but my heart was saying get out (mostly based on the immense contributions we have to make, and the seemingly never-ending red tape that spews out of Brussels)

            However, with all the drivel that is coming from David Cameramoron and Co, and seeing the state of our roads, schools, hospitals, doctors surgeries, I am now finding myself very much in the 'get out' camp.

            More than anything, there are some compelling arguments for us to come out - - I cannot think of one for us to stay in.
             
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              Recession are cyclic and are now more global than, say, 50 years ago and I doubt that we can avoid any of them in the future.

              We had recessions in 1961, 1973, 1980, 1990, and 2008..........around every 10 years or so on average.:doh::dunno::coffee::snork:
               
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                Agreed - and ultimately, it seems to not matter a jot who is in government or what is going on to prevent them happening; all this utter tripe about 'economic shocks' and risks is exactly that - tripe.

                There is nothing to say that we won't get an economic shock in July even if we did vote to stay in, so that knackers the bulk of their argument for me. As I said, I am struggling to find a compelling argument for us to stay in.
                 
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                  To be honest, FC, I don't think there is one:dunno: I've got more and more disenchanted with the EU with it's underlying agenda of Federalisation. There seem to be two main components to the EU, [a] the actual political organisation with it's sights on the control of the political, financial and legislative powers of it's subservient members and the two countries that would gain the most from that Federation at the cost of the sovereignty and freedom of the others. The constant spewing of "one size fits all" legislation in all areas of commerce and national sovereignty is tangling us all more and more into an integration of Federalism and loss of national identity................can you tell which way I'm going to vote!??!:snorky:
                   
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                  • pete

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                    But if the government was to tell you your job was on the line if we leave.

                    What way would you vote?:smile:
                     
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                    There is a mahoosive flaw in the pro-EU threats about 'economic uncertainty' of us leaving. It implies that there is no such uncertainty if we stay in. Yet, we've seen eurozone recession for the past 9 years. UK recession for most of that time, and the eu is far from out of the woods economically regardless of what we do. Greece is still in dire straits for one thing. And remember what happened a year or so ago when the government briefly applauded themselves having saved a small amount of dosh by starving the skint and abandoning the disabled? The EU turned round and said 'we'll have that', and sent us a bill for an extra something like 10 billion.
                     
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                    • clueless1

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                      I'd definitely vote leave, on the basis that if Dave's government said it, the opposite is probably true.
                       
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                        I just wonder how many will.
                        I tend to think when it comes down to putting that cross in the box some serious thinking will go on with those that think their job could possibly be on the line.
                         

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