Poor in terms of money you mean. It's taken me 45 years to finally realise that cash isn't really that important - enough to pay the bills and that's it. We're all conditioned as kids to think that 'success' (in other people's eyes) depends upon the size of your bank account. I see it all the time - miserable looking people in new BMW's going to work in the morning, when I'm off for a ramble and a coffee in my niece's coffee bar - I wonder who the 'mug' is?
In my past profession money was very important, but personally my dream was to make enough to get by and get out ASAP, which I achieved. Getting back to EU decisions, I've come to the conclusion that I don't like IN, nor do I like OUT, and all they entail, plus some/most of the people who support either option. So I'm going to ask my daughter who's at currently at Uni (and far from being stupid despite what some people think about students) what she thinks and agree to follow her advice, she's the one who's going to be the most affected by the vote by far, and for many, many years, so it's her future I'm going to put first, just like we do in supporting her in every other way we can.
I'm leaning towards voting in now. I saw Jeremy corbyn on telly. As much as I disagree with him very strongly on many points, he does occasionally make sense. He drew attention to the fact that if we vote out, then it will be David Cameron and George Osborne and their cronies that do all the exit negotiations. Regardless of what corbyn said, it does cross my mind that the Eton bunch will strive to protect the banks, the dodgy tax haven investment companies etc, and to a lesser extent, the ordinary folk ofthe wealthier parts of the south east. At the same time the working classes and the skint will be completely ignored, as will the north. I don't like the eu, but I like the idea of some other entity keeping our government in check.
After voting Labour all my life the two politicians I have a real problem with are Jeremy Corbyn , and the lady from the democratic republic of Scotland , Nicola Sturgeon . But they both put very well constructed and strong cases that to stay in the EU makes economic and social sense . Along with the Bank of England the IMF and the other fat cats . I'll never fully understand the pros and cons of the EU , for UK membership , it is a tad complicated for an old overweight engineer !
Having re-read the government's booklet I'm now more inclined to vote Out! I've found so many more deliberate misdirections that I'm rather peed off with them thinking that I would be idiotic enough to believe all the rubbish they've been spouting.
Well, I listened to Mr Corbyn and it just reinforced my intention to vote OUT. You actually listened to him and thought he talked sense???...........all I can say is that you have a short memory of all his other policy statements and that of his extremist cronies. If you're going to be influenced by a Politician then at least let it be a respected Politician.............Oh, hang on, I can't think of one, can you?? Seriously, Clueless, I know you well enough for you to not take serious notice of all the scare propaganda, sound bites, avalanche of biased "facts and figures" on both sides, and an extremist Leader of a main political party that has lost it's way. Any person who thinks we can get rid of our Defence, would like women to have a separate carriage on a train, etc, etc, is not to me a person I could listen to without making sure he was wearing one of GC's free Special Jackets with all the buckles and straps tightly secured. I would not take any advice from any politician or celebrity on either side, including the latest addition of Botham, but will use my brain and past experience of the EU to make my own mind up over the matter.
Apparently, according to the politics programme on tv this morning, good old Jeremy has always been anti Europe up until now
I'll listen to everyone. There is no way I can make a sound judgement if I were to only listen to people who reinforce what I already think. Of course both sides will use scare tactics. Sometimes those tactics might have some validity. This is massive. If we vote based only on who annoys us the most, then it is a protest vote. A very, very silly tactic on such a massive issue. Equally, there will be plenty of effort from all directions to persuade us to vote one way or another. I wouldn't expect anyone on here to use petty ridicule to try to shoot down those we might not agree with.
With apologies if you thought I was ridiculing you, Clueless, that was not my intention. It's just that taking into account Corbyn's extremist views, his history of being an adamant anti-EU politician, who has suddenly done a U turn on the basis that he has had to fall in line with the opposing views of his extremist cronies I was surprised that he had influenced you in any degree one way or the other.
In a couple of months, I will not be voting for or against corbyn. That's a petty, because unlike the eu situation, I am 100% clear in my mind how that should go. But even a complete nutter can on occasion make a valid point. If we vote out, it will be down to Cameron and Osborne to negotiate everything and set and enact our policies. The fact that corbyn said it doesn't make it any less true.
If we vote in, it will also be Cameron and Osborne negotiating everything At least if we are OUT we take the rough ride, to freedom, to make our own decisions as we used to do and even attained an EMPIRE Not once has any British suggestion having only 8% of the vote in EU made one iota of difference to the German dictate made by unelected unknown people
Well, yes they call that democracy, pretty bad democracy I grant you. But if Corbyn was in power it would be down to him and his cronies to sort it out. But if Corbyn was in power would we actually be getting a referendum anyway?
I shouldn't have mentioned corbyn. He's not the point. The point was that Cameron and Osborne will end up fully in charge, answerable to nobody, and that is a bit scary. We must also note that Cameron doesn't even have to worry about the prospect of being voted out at the next general election. He's already said he doesn't want the job again. If corbyn was in power, it wouldn't matter whether we were in the eu or not, because we'd all be citizens of the people's republic of China or the new Soviet union within a decade or so anyway, not that we'd mind too much, as we'd be too preoccupied with dancing naked with flowers in our hair in the hippy communes that occupy former military bases.
