UK and the EU

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  1. Sandy Ground

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    @wiseowls answer of....

    ...is, as I would have expected, absolutely correct. However, there is a certain amount of unfairness in the rule. Its not generally known, but many ex-pats that have been living outside the UK for more than 15 years are still paying UK income tax. The way I see things, if a person pays taxes in a country that he or she is still a citizen of, then they should be allowed to vote if they fill all the other eligibility requirements!
     
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    If ex pats are still paying UK income tax, do they also pay income tax in their new country of residence? If they do, that seems unfair to the ex pat.

    If on the other hand, these ex pats pay UK income tax INSTEAD OF income tax for their host country, then that makes the UK subscription fees to the eu suddenly seem very fair, as those ex pats are still presumably using the services of their host country.

    I've probably misunderstood or oversimplified here. It's not something I'm knowledgeable about.
     
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      The rules are complicated, but they generally pay income tax in both countries.

      Theres another thing in regards to this as well. Back when I moved here, Sweden was not a member of the EU. To obtain a residency permit, I had to apply from the UK. When this country joined the EU, this permit was no longer required. Therefore, I no longer have one. Presumably, its the same situation for other ex-pats.

      Worst case scenario: In the event of an "out" vote, all ex-pats living in the EU could possibly be forced to return to the UK to apply for a residency permit for the country they have been living in. I doubt this being the case, but if it is, think of the consequences of the of brits living abroad all being forced to return quickly...The migrant crisis will be nothing in comparison.
       
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        Doesn't that mean they are paying twice?
         
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        The short answer is yes.
         
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          There is no double tax paying here ... it's one place or t'other once you are a resident.

          We apply for residency here, not the UK. First you get a 5-year temporary permit (an A4 sheet of paper) after you have lived here for three months then you can apply for a ten-year permanent residency which is a three-fold card which has your photograph and thumbprint on it and is used as an identity card in place of a passport within Portugal.

          Obviously it is different in Sweden.
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            After Sweden joined the EU, it became possible to apply for an RP from within the country. As far as I am aware, thats the case for all current EU members. I was pointing out it could change if the UK leaves the EU.
             
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                There is no double taxation in EU countries except in highly unusual circumstances and the same rule applies to non-EU countries. There are, on the other hand, peculiar rules about investments abroad and whether they are declared over here, for ex-pats, depending on whether they are technically Dom (domiciled) or Non-Dom (not domiciled) in this country. That all depends on how many days in the year they come to this country.

                Disclaimer: I'm not an accountant but I handle some domestic things for Non-Doms.
                 
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                  :yikes: ... that could mean ... the X mother-in-law back in the UK!!!??? :runforhills: :runforhills: :runforhills:
                   
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                    Surely if paying income tax while living permanently abroad, you must still be earning some money in the UK? :scratch:

                    If I'm reading that right, we are paying in the second largest amount after Germany?

                    If you want to harp back all the way to WW 2, you could also point out Britain was pretty much on its knees back then also.
                    My thoughts are, why let a country that, by looking at its record, is unstable to say the least, actually join the EU in the first place?

                    And what about Ireland, I seem to remember when they joined, the EU threw money at them, then they let then join the Euro, then the crash, and we end up bailing them out.
                     
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                      That must be tax on income sources in the UK though.

                      The Lifetime Care thing was different though. It was above and beyond any statutory rights that the consumer had. It would still hold water today.

                      You're not reading it right at all. That table is the GDP of the EU countries. It is only there to demonstrate what a relatively small sum that people are getting their knickers in a twist over.In terms of cotributions (taking into account the UK rebate) we are behind Germany, France and Italy.

                      Britain was a country like that when we joined as well.

                      Agreed. But the fortunes of Ireland seem to have turned around rather well since then. Even more impressive is that the value of exports per person is nearly $25000 a year. Compare that to the UK's figure of just over $7000 per person.In terms of GDP per capita Ireland is significantly ahead of the UK.
                       
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                      One of the chief reasons for that, longk, is the huge drop in tax rates designed specifically with investment in mind. The film industry has jumped in and taken advantage of that move......hence "Game of Thrones" and a tide of other projects. Some of the Space Industry firms have also taken advantage of the lower taxes etc so it has paid off for the Irish>:love30:
                       
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                        I thought there's a treaty already in place which would mean if UK left the EU, UK citizens already living in the remainder of the EU would retain the right to reside/work there, just as the millions of EU citizens living in the UK would also retain the right to remain here (which will probably upset those who think all EU citizens wont be able to stay here should the 'Leave' voters win, and I understand it would also cover any EU citizen setting foot in the UK between a 'Leave' vote, right up until the UK was to finally break away, so perhaps around 2 years more for EU citizens to come to the UK, or vice versa and remain where they are at the time of a split).
                         
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                          I see Obama has given a boost to the leave campaign, by suggesting we must stay.

                          I actually have respect for Obama, but he's made a mistake here. His entire statement seems to be based on the unfounded assumption that us leave the eu is the same thing as us falling out with Europe on every level. In fact many seem to think that. Of course they'd still be our friends and allies either way.
                           

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