In the Telegraph: British 'deserters' will face the consequences, warns EU's Juncker Another boost for the out campaign.
I struggle to understand this reasoning to vote out . It seems to be one , of the few reasons , to vote out , is if someone says to stop in ? It's akin to saying don't put your hand in the fire - answer - stuff you sunshine look at this - ouch!!!
The simple truth is that there will be consequences if we vote out. It simply can not be seamless. There will also be consequences if we vote to stay in. There are very strong pros and cons for both options. It really is, or should be if fully thought through, a very tough decision. I personally appreciate the opinions of those that are in a position to know more than me, whether those opinions support or conflict with mine, because they all add information that might help me decide which way I'd like to vote. Right now, I am literally on the fence, wobbling, unsure which way I'll eventually fall.
I'm also confused about all this talk of the value of houses dropping considerably. I haven't got my head around how leaving the EU is going to create a massive drop in house prices. The people that are saying it haven't explained why! Also, I thought that they've been saying for a long time that the house prices need to drop so that ordinary people can afford to buy them. Down here in the south most young people don't have a hope of being able to buy. Even in our village a small, terraced three bedroomed cottage is going for over four hundred thousand!! So, if it's true that the prices will drop that much, then it's almost a no-brainer that young people should want to vote out. I've actually heard some of them say that the statement about house prices has changed their minds from in to out. Of course, what they haven't considered is that there just aren't enough house down this way. That's why I think the prices won't drop.
It's called 'psychological reactance' - if someone in 'authority' tries to restrict you choices, your natural reaction is to resist - the opposite view is enforced. We've all done it, the teacher tells you to stop doing something, you do it all the more (except for me - I was a model pupil) If all house prices go down - so what? It won't change the housing market. Interest rates going up and tougher mortgage criteria - people still won't be able to afford to buy. With another 4? countries joining up - we'll get even less from the EU in the future - it's time to leave. Junker is right to be worried - without the UK contribution into the pot they will be struggling to continue to fund the EU with new members taking out more than they are putting in - so yes, there will be consequences - I agree with him there.
I have lived through several housing booms and a similar number of "slumps" . During a slump ,which would be hyper reported on TV and the press . People do not buy as they expect the housing prices to fall . Correspondingly people do not sell , as the British love affair with housing prices cannot comprehend a reduction in price. So the house prices do not actually fall a great deal , just the market stagnates for a few years , then progresses as before.
For most of the country that more or less fits the bill but the south east and especially London it doesn't. Those two regions have massive slumps and rises with the rises being predominant. In the south during the 80's and 90's there were some big drops and slow rises. Around 2002 there was another one and then in 2007, for most of the country, there was a 15% rise from 2005 and then an 18% drop in six months from 2008. Since then there's been about a 10% - 15% rise for most of the country, the South East has risen 15% - 20% and London has risen 40% - 45%
@shiney , the SE and especially inside the M25 housing market is completely different to the rest of the UK. For example last year I was selling a bungalow I owned before remarrying . My Nephew was selling his flat in Surbiton . Mine took 9 months to sell with about 24 viewers . They had an open day on their flat and had 84 viewers in one day !
@Mowerman, thanks for posting about Glyphosate. That got me reading this: http://www.dw.com/en/glyphosate-will-europe-ban-controversial-weed-killer/a-19265794 looks like France wants it banned, the UK want to keep it and Germany is on the fence...
Leaving "could" be a bit rough maybe a good few years, though things would soon pick up as we sail along Staying in "could" be a bit rough, and after a good few years it may get rougher, having an Admiral telling you what to do and when to do it, and you do not even know who picked him to be Admiral or where he popped up from, Along with we could never get rid of him When we are OUT If we do not like the rules we are demanded to obey, we can kick our man out after five years or less if it is really bad
I half agree. The only hang up I have is that after 5 years, if we don't like it, "we" can't change it. If "we" are in the more wealthy parts of the country, that seem to have the most stable seats at election time, then yes, we can choose. But elections in my life time so far have never been won based on the opinions of the more struggling parts of the country. Outside of the eu, the northeast will get nowt. Scotland might as well have another independence referendum because Westminster has never done a good job of concealing its disdain for Scotland. When they do, all I ask is that the Scots invite us lot down as far as maybe the humber to join them
Think the 2nd referendum is already planned in to Sturgeons diary... (We'll abide by the result, except if we lose then we won't) I've read more on the EU in the last 4 months than in my entire life and you know what? I feel I'm none the wiser. No-one appears to be able to give a straight accurate fact without twisting it and throwing out a scaremongering story with it. Gut feeling? Probably best to stay in the EU but then I do the same at supermarkets and always pick the wrong queue so maybe we're better off out lol
... if the scaremongering is correct, they won't have the jobs to pay the mortgages on those allegedly cheaper houses The pendulum keeps swinging
Did you hear Cameron's speech/dire warnings of the apocalypse if we vote Out? The only thing he seems to have left out is earthquakes, floods, famine and a plague of locusts! But that's probably for his next speech - which will have to be soon as the hammer comes down tomorrow night on government interference in the Referendum.
