Today Angela Merkel has warned Erdogan (Turkey) that his human rights and freedom of speech situation in Turkey are incompatible with the EU's values. Whether you dislike Merkel or the EU, this has to be positive step towards recognising the immigration crisis in EU area. Yes it's true it may come across as hypocritical from Merkel, and believe me I'm not particularly a fan of hers, but if this is step one to realising immigration situation is causing issues within the EU, then subsequent policies in the future may well answer the leave campaigns concerns. I'm a positive person (not particularly naive) and I welcome this news. The truth is Turkey are not compatible with EU values, and I have every reason to remain but there are issues which must be tackled to prevent the rise of unsavouriness between nations.
clueless1, it's not so much that the right wing has an opinion that's the problem, it's the attitude connected to that opinion. There are many right wing opinions that immigration must be prevented at all costs, even if it means seriously debilitating the economy (Farage said something along these lines). Not only is this incredibly fool hardy and stupid, but anyone desperate enough to prevent immigration to the point where the people living in their native country may suffer economically suggests xenophonic, intolerant undertones. There's something dark and eerily familiar about those intentions. There have been some absolute horrific examples of how some of the right wings mind set works - just take a look at some of the bigotry and racism on Facebook and other social media from UKIP supporters - it's absolutely sickening to read.
You've misunderstood my point. I'm not saying that the far right is good or correct or indeed anything positive. What I'm saying is that the far right offers support to those perfectly ordinary, sensible people who feel like the left are driving them to their wits end with their nativity that is lunacy, and their blatant, direct, and unmitigated insults towards anyone who questions them. If I say, "i'm worried that some terrorists might sneak in with all the refugees", the standard leftist response would be along the lines of "you are a horrible racist pig, how dare you, these are human, every single one of them is lovely and they are more welcome than you are". Whereas the standard right wing response would be along the lines of " you are right, we must stop them all". I personally don't believe either. But I can see how people would be pushed by the former towards the latter.
I guess I am central left, I suppose, but yes I would probably go with yes there is a chance terrorists will sneak in, but it's a very difficult decision to deal with, probably one that is best off done as a community effort. I'd be surprised and disappointed if anyone suggested racism from that. Apologies if I misunderstood your post (y)
The Roadshows have started , Ed Milliband was in downtown Wigan today. He was lobbying for the better in side , and went down very well to all reports . Only one shout of "Go back to Eton you Tory t**ser ! ". This is normal for Wigan
It's in the BBC news today that several military top brass figures have publicly supported 'brexit'. I can't remember the names involved, but one of the names was listed by David Cameron a few months ago as an advocate of the 'in' side. It says in the same news article that downing street has admitted to making 'a mistake' when they named the military figure that has recently contradicted them. So, David Cameron lied. Sorry not lied. Made a mistake. So what else has he not lied but made a mistake about? Meanwhile, also in today's news, Turkey is blackmailing the eu. They want freedom of travel without changing any of their policies to be compatible with Europe. That's in a deal which is very, very questionable ethically anyway. So between blatant lies from government, blackmail from outside, and extremely unethical dealings in human life, I think I'm currently once again wobbling on the side of exit.
Be careful about wobbling at the exit otherwise you may block all the others! I'm a bit annoyed with Vote Leave at the moment. I was arranging a local debate about the In/Out from a business point of view. Early on I had the In speaker lined up (ex-councillor, ex-labour minister and current MEP), had the venue arranged and was waiting on a speaker from Vote Leave. After continually chasing them and not getting a positive response I had to give them a deadline. After a month they eventually (beginning of this week) came back to me with a speaker - two days after the deadline and one day after cancelling the MEP and the venue When cancelling it and notifying all those that had said they would attend we gave the reason why it was being cancelled. That has swayed some of the fence sitters to vote IN.
Bit ... shallow (?) if that is all it took to sway their minds Wonder if Mr Out Speaker realises just how powerful he was
I think it's the total confusion of not being able to get any believable info from either side. So whatever is the most current annoyance tips the balance. There's still a few weeks to tilt it the other way.
Very true. It seems to me that the IN side works by telling lies and tales of woe, while LEAVE work by dismissing IN, while neither bothers to substantiate their claims or explain their reasoning. It's like an argument between two kids: Why? Because. Why? Just because Why? You're smelly. I'm not playing any more.
We can't blame the speaker that volunteered. He volunteered the moment he heard about it (I know him) but the Vote Leave office didn't get their finger out. It was someone else who approached him - too late. I didn't know he was a Brexit person otherwise I would have asked him.
Good morning everyone ,to day I received my EU Referendum Postal vote Will it simply be the case of all votes being counted to give two totals? All the votes will be counted and then added up, with a straight majority needed to provide the result. In answer to some other people's questions, there is no minimum turnout needed. So if, for the sake of argument, only three people voted on the day, if two of them voted to leave, that would be the result. When and how will the results be announced? Counts will get under way when polls close at 22:00 GMT Thursday, 23 June at 382 local centres around the UK. These local results will be declared as the counts are completed before being collated at 12 regional centres, which will also declare the totals for each side. A chief counting officer will then announce the overall result at Manchester Town Hall. If the UK left the EU would UK citizens need special permits to work in the EU? Lots of people asked about this. A lot would depend on the kind of deal the UK agreed with the EU after exit. If it remained within the single market, it would almost certainly retain free movement rights allowing UK citizens to work in the EU and vice versa. If the government opted to impose work permit restrictions, as UKIP wants, then other countries could reciprocate, meaning Britons would have to apply for visas to work. Has any member state ever left the EU, or would the UK be the first? No nation state has ever left the EU. But Greenland, one of Denmark's overseas territories, held a referendum in 1982, after gaining a greater degree of self government, and voted by 52% to 48% to leave, which it duly did after a period of negotiation. If we stay in do we keep the pound for ever? It is up the UK government to decide whether or not to keep the pound or switch to the euro. The deal David Cameron struck with the EU included recognition that the UK has no plans to switch to the euro currency. How much does the UK contribute to the EU and how much do we get in return? The UK is one of 10 member states who pay more into the EU budget than they get out, only France and Germany contribute more. In 2014/15, Poland was the largest beneficiary, followed by Hungary and Greece. The UK also gets an annual rebate that was negotiated by Margaret Thatcher and money back, in the form of regional development grants and payments to farmers, which added up to £4.6bn in 2014/15. According to the latest Treasury figures, the UK's net contribution for 2014/15 was £8.8bn - nearly double what it was in 2009/10. How long will it take for Britain to leave the EU? The minimum period after a vote to leave would be two years. During that time Britain would continue to abide by EU treaties and laws, but not take part in any decision-making, as it negotiated a withdrawal agreement and the terms of its relationship with the now 27 nation bloc. In practice it may take longer than two years, depending on how the negotiations go.
I believe it's unbelievable that they would believe that they would get believable facts from either side,....well, that's what I believe I believe.
