I understand what you're saying, Lori, and possibly it's that desire to make sure we're not "left deprived of our ability to care for our own" that is basically driving the campaign to leave the EU.
Business runs the economic relationship between countries. It is the same with entertainment. Or should I say sports. Sports is not a term that should ever be applied once money changes hands beyond the provisional / amateur level. But there it is. It'. Business. That will never change .Trade agreements or united "sanctions" can be quite distastrous. And giving up contol of what happens inside one's borders I do admire one thing about the US. No one messes with their internal affairs. Their border guards don't see any grey. They don't sway about their solidarity and like me, and a lot of you across the pond, they proudly wave their flag. Here in Canada we are going to have to try to survive our PM Selfie Guess I'm saying that having some other country/countries dictate internal policies would make me feel even more helpless.?
I couldn't agree more. It's one of the many reasons I can't be stuffed with football. In fact, when some new person starts a conversation with 'did you watch the footy last night', I've been known to reply with 'no I missed it, which international corporation do you support '.
Although you very kindly included the 'more experienced' you left out the 'over the hill' group . Cameron has just got round to us and is telling us that our State pensions are now in jeopardy if we leave. I was with a group of over 50 pensioners yesterday and they, not surprisingly, were talking about his dire predictions. The consensus was that they were so peed off with this latest threat that a lot of the 'undecided' are now going to vote 'Out' as they see it as so unlikely an event that it amounts to coercion. A large section of the group last night were in finance and financial predicting and said that it is such an unlikely thing to happen that it's an insult to their intelligence.
That's not true, although the 'In' campaign says so. Somewhere back in all these 60 pages on the thread I quoted the extract from the EU Directives which says that any country that leaves can ask to re-join and just apply like any other country. There's not time restraints on doing so.
Interesting article from the beeb website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36500747 In an nut shell - other EU countries (Germany mentioned) are worried that a Brexit will negatively impact upon their ability to trade with the UK - so worried that they are likely to put pressure on Merkel to put in place a free trade agreement. As far as I can see the 'in' main argument may well go up in flames. George and Dave now talking about negative impact on current and future pensions - wow they really are getting desperate.
This is a bit of a 'non threat' and just illustrates the desperation on the 'in' bods. The same state pension that I will only be able to draw when I'm 67? The pension age is subject to regular review - so it's likely to go up for those just starting out or mid career. Some of my colleagues are probably looking at drawing their state pension in their 70's. As we live longer - the pension age increases - it's all down to money again - too many people drawing out of the pension pot. George has already had a go at local government pensions - the retirement age of the LG pension scheme is now that of the state pension. Which is why I'm getting out next year. Pensions - scandal of the century.
Same here both me and Mrs T work for the LG and were getting out asap. All the good staff are applying for new jobs. My line manager as been off work with streess its getting that bad in our office, down from 10 to 6 building managers and 3 of them including me are leaving.
You've hit the nail on the head - experienced staff are taking redundancy or getting other jobs - leaving those 'less experienced' to cover the service. It doesn't work. You probably know already Ian - if you have contributed to the post April 2013 scheme - you can retire at 55 WITHOUT the Council's agreement - I've asked for an estimate of my monthly payment at 55 - it's more than we need. I'm now a deferred member - I don't make any more pension payments - I can't see the point given the estimate. In fact last year the value of the post 13 fund went down - due to a negative CPI - so anyone drawing out post 13 funds would have seen their pension go down - I wouldn't trust George as far as I could throw him.
@clanless.....pensions! Scandal of the century.....well said my friend! Georgie & Dave would have to bring this to the party wouldn't they? They are only too aware of just how many people are not going to be able to retire due to lack of pension wealth (I could moan about pensions all day & how many men &women I know who have lost money in their pension pots resulting in them working into their 70's) I know there are some very lucky people out there who have had good pensions & many who have been fortunate to have final salary pensions but that's going to soon come to an end. I personally believe that it's only a matter of time before only the less privileged people in the country will be entitled to a state pension. I have no concrete evidence for this but I guess it will be means tested just like family allowance. (I don't mind if anyone wants to disagree with me). I personally never take it for granted that I will recieve a state pension & never add it to my personal accounts when forecasting, if I get it then that will be a bonus! Sorry a bit off topic so my belief is Georgie & Dave are just trying to scare people! ( & yes the above comes from the person who promised herself she wasn't going to get involved with this thread ! Oh & for the record I still have no idea which wAy to vote )
I must admit I do have a military pension and a LG pension and a small private pension. So i'm dreading on how much tax I'll pay on that lot. Its a con job basically, you pay in every month and you could get less when you come to get your pension than you have paid in.
Interesting factoid - if you have contributed 30 years into the NI fund - you are entitled to a full state pension (assuming you make it to the pension age that is ). Any NI payments beyond this go into the nhs and paying benefits - they do not increase your state pension.
Well my Uncle is paying 40% tax - problem is his health has deteriorated - so all that money is about as useful as a cat flap in an elephant house. I'm straying off topic but...health and time...all the money in the world is useless if you don't have both of these. I'm off for a nice cup of tea
