UK and the EU

Not me, as the cap changed a few years back so a few farmers now don't claim the subsidys and with the extra red tape there voting out

 

Oh go on......

 

I think the unicorn is 'IN'!!!!!!

 

I thought the days of the employer telling the employee how to vote had gone out in the 1950s.
Sounds a bit like something out of a Charles Dickens novel.

Now you go away and be a good boy.

 

Well I'm pretty much in the South East, and unless the "in" brigade are hiding, mostly its out, in my area.
Only seen one Remain board, and that is on the way to work, none round where I live.

I think its mostly down what kind of area you live in, the more affluent areas tend to be remain, us lot are more for leave.

When you bear in mind those that are on the up, dont want the boat rocked, while those that are just getting by are hoping for a new future, I think it makes some kind of sense.

 

They have to work a bit harder for the money as it's more about the environment than crops and if they recieve subsidys they have to put up a sign at the farm gate saying they are receiving eu subsidys, I think but not sure that if they don't put up the sign they may not get the subsidys but not sure

It's all about what is best for you/family or your company not what's best for the country (uk) as a whole

 

Well I'm in...mostly for selfish reasons. OH works in car manufacturing so voting in is a no brainer for us. Also I can't get away from everything I studied at Uni about economics.

 

Have only just seen this thread - so my point may have already been made.

The problem, as I see it, is not just about migrants per se but about total population. The IN faction will condemn us to a future of uncontrolled population growth. I think we are sleep walking into a world over population problem and a UK one too. TV programs are already saying that we must all live in smaller houses so that we can accommodate the extra people. They are also saying we won't be able to afford to eat meat so we will have to eat insects etc. Perhaps we will all be richer as a result, but what is the point of being richer if your quality of life is reduced.

In theory we could build more houses, schools and hospitals. But it took decades of taxes to pay for the current ones, and it will takes decades of taxes from the immigrants to build more for them - but they want them now. And what about roads. The roads in most towns are overcrowded, with long tail backs at times. But we can't build more roads inside a town.

A retired Arab doctor friend of mine said that when he studied medicine in Egypt its population was 32 million. Its now over 90 million, with wall to wall people. And did you see that the Turkish president has called for Turkey to increase its population - taken from FT site.

As long as Europe is taking in their excess population, there will be no incentive for Turkey or Egypt and other countries to control their population.

And a final fallacy. The argument is that as we are an ageing population we need immigrants to look after us in our old age. The world. as a whole, will soon have an ageing population - are we going to import aliens from another planet to care for us, or are we going to have to find a solution using the current population.

 

Purely out of curiosity, why do we have to be in the eu to have a car industry? I'm not knowledgeable on that industry sector, so please forgive the naivety, but I thought the main car manufacturer in the UK was Nissan, which is mostly Japanese owned, but 21% French now, and choosing to manufacture in Britain despite having fully productive factories owned by subsidiaries and partners in France and the Netherlands. Thus demonstrating that 1) there is something in Britain that is so attractive that they prefer to be here than in their partner owned factories in Europe and 2) the parent companies seem perfectly willing and able to cross the eu boundary.

With regard to economics in general. Again forgive my naivety as it's not my subject at all, but isn't it all just guess work? We keep hearing predictions all the time, then they turn out to be wrong, then the economists blame some unforeseen factor. I can remember I, along with many other non-economist sorts, predicting the house price crash when all the forecasts were for prices to keep rising. I was so confident of it that I carefully orchestrated the timing of my own redundancy so that I'd get paid off just as the bottom fell out of the market, thus enabling me to buy my house at just over half the price it had sold for just 5 years previous.

 

Clueless - I agree with you about the housing crash. Its an area I follow closely. Many, many people saw there was a crash coming, but no one had the guts to do anything about it. The cause of the crash was interest rates were too low creating too much debt. So what has happened since. Interest rates have been reduced even more and debt levels are even higher. The government debt in China is now four times greater than it was in 2008. Conclusion - an even bigger crash is coming and no one is doing anything about it. Actually its too late now, there is nothing they can do about it, we have gone beyond the point of no return.

World population is in a similar position. And global warming as well. Whilst we in the West have tried to reduce energy consumption a bit, the rest of the world in increasing consumption at an exponential rate.

I think I want to exit this planet.

 

That's because we've reduced our consumption by stopping our manufacturing. And the rest of the world has increased theirs because they're doing our manufacturing for us now. We haven't reduced the problem, we've just outsourced it.