The eu bureaucrats were deliberately getting in the way of that though. But Australia has come up with the obvious solution. They've offered to discuss it all any time, while not actually planning on signing anything until we're out.
How???, there's nothing they can do, particularly now, if we start formal trade agreements with other countries outside the UK We already trading with other none EU countries as it is, it's just now that we're beginning to turn our trading eyes to the global horizon rather than be restricted within the EU.
Which goes to show what a complete bunch of controllers they are, we are watching you, dont step out of line. Ve have Vays of making you conform.
And???? We've decided that we no longer want to be in the Club or observe the rules.....we've served notice!! We've already been told that we can no long take part in any meetings regarding the future of the EU so our commitment is nul and void in reality. How can the EU block anything we do outside the EU??? Are they going to wave a finger at us ? That's going to be really effective isn't it?, particularly as they know that there's nothing they can do and they will get the
The reality is though, that they don't!! People seem to be seeing mirages and illusions brought about by their own uncertainties about the future. It has to be realised and faced that we are Done with the rules, regulations, protocols, threats, restrictions of a Bureaucratic organisation that seeks to become a Federal montster denying the autonomous inspirations of its members. We are sometimes our own worst enemies, creating apprehension, seeing imaginary threats, and actually building mental and psychological barriers and pitfalls, all because we live in fear of change and taking a positive decision seems to be a negative thing to do!!
Sorry Armandii, We're not done because our Government won't even make it official. The last I heard ( yesterday ) was that they were gonna hang on until around Christmas before making it official and then aiming to finally pull out in Dec 2018 or even January 2019. They should do it Asap.
No we haven't. Until article 50 is invoked we are still a fully paid up member, with all the rights and obligations that entails. If we break the rules, then we will create exactly the kind of isolation the more right wing remainers insisted we'd create. It's not unreasonable. We serve 2 years notice by enacting article 50, and during that notice period we work to find a way to maintain a peaceful and productive relationship with our European neighbours. We voted to leave the union. We didn't vote to throw our toys out of the pram or take our ball home.
So we haven't held a referendum and actually told the EU we're resigning? The EU doesn't know we've given notification of leaving the EU via the referendum? Yes, we are, will be, paying our contribution to the EU as agreed via the rules. Rights and obligations? It's probably the lack of the first and the over burdening of the second that is one of the main reasons we are leaving!! Analogue.........if an employee of a large company gives notice of his leaving then either [a] the company will let him leave early, restrict his freedom of work within the company due to lack of trust, [c] get rid of him asap. But the thing is all trust between the employee and the employer is placed under strain and he become worthless to the company..........and if the employer departs in disagreement with his employer then the situation is even worse. Do you really think, in truth, that the EU will regard us fondly and generously and say "it's okay, you can come to every meeting, discuss and take decisions that affect the EU and it's future? They have already threatened us with hostile actions during the negotiations, and they now regard us as the wild Black Sheep of the flock....I think, in reality, rules, regulations, will only be used against us during negotiations, rights, and obligations are something that the UK will observe until leaving while the EU will not.
Armandii, , this has been discussed on this thread before about likening this situation to an employee resigning. When an employee resigns, he doesn't tell his employer I'm leaving but I'm not telling you when, I may do it this year or I may do it next year and drag it out to 2019. He gives a specific time/date.
Armandii, you frequently demonstrate your interest in politics and law, and often assert that you are knowledgeable in such matters. This is why it surprises me that you attempt to ridicule me so often on this matter where you must surely know exactly where we stand. You know, for example, that the referendum did not ask whether or not we should leave the eu within a certain timescale. We both know that you will misquote me on that last point later by leaving out the 'within a certain timescale ' part and that's fine. You will also know that the referendum is not legally binding, and that eu rules, which we are still bound by, dictate that we have to formally tell the eu with all the pomp and ceremony that we intend to leave, before article 50 can be considered to have been invoked. You will also know that the eu leaders are stickers for their rules, and won't bend them, and so while individually knowing that we are in fact leaving, as a bureaucratic legal entity that notice has not yet been served. But you know all this already.
Clueless, I couldn't have said it better myself. We haven't told the EU we are leaving, that has to come from Government. All that has happened is that the public have voiced an opinion. Can anyone guarantee we will leave the EU, NO,not until it's made official.
Good morning technically, Britain could leave the EU in a single day. Legislatively, this would be achieved simply by repealing the European Communities Act 1972 and its attendant Amendment Acts through a single clause Bill passing through Westminster. However, the process of setting up a replacement UK/EU Free Trade Agreement will take longer, though there would be no need for time-consuming negotiation of tariff reductions if the UK/EU Free Trade Agreement merely replicated existing EU trade arrangements. In addition, even the Lisbon Treaty’s Article 50 enshrines the right of member states to leave the Union, albeit in an unattractive manner. The same article requires the EU to seek a free trade deal with a member which leaves. Greenland established a precedent for a sovereign nation by leaving the EEC in 1985, and is prospering well outside of it. With Westminster still sovereign (for the moment), it is the British Parliament who will decide how and when Britain leaves the EU.
Hi Woo, Greenland isn't a country in it's own right but a part of Denmark aiming for independence. Perhaps the answer to Scotland's problem would be for Nicola Sturgeon to investigate how they were allowed to pull out. ( I know it's the reverse situation, but it's only in reverse, there must be some clues there ).
