Interesting that the FTSE's are above or rapidly approaching pre brexit levels...yet the press has remained silent...I suppose it's just not newsworthy any more .
Interestingly, I was thinking of it in a different way; not so much that those who voted remain have a chance to step back and take a deep breath ... more a case of the leave voters having time to take a step back and a deep breath. There are going to have to be some big compromises in the negotiations and it is quite likely the "Leavers" may come away quite disappointed if their expectations of leaving are not fully met. They may well end up wondering why they voted to leave at all once the 'negotiations' are finished (of course this assumes that they were not swayed to vote that way based on the innuendoes that the NHS will be getting the full balance of monies which currently go to the EU budget). Either way, these negotiations should not be rushed by either side; there is a rise in Nationalism in some European Countries. Depending on how quickly that continues to grow it could have a bearing on how generous, or strict, these negotiations might be. Naturally, we're concerned about our own interests and so the EU are concerned about theirs, but, both would be foolish to rush forward without keeping a very careful eye on what is happening around them. I do hope not otherwise there would be no point in any "discussion".
With general elections in France and Germany next year, both Merkel and Hollande want us to get Brexit over and done with ASAP so as they can concentrate on keeping their jobs.
You're right of course, "M". I think both sides will now be able to take that step back and a deep breath now that Theresa May had confirmed today while standing alongside the French President that she will not trigger Article 50 until early 2017. She also repeated that "BREXIT means BREXIT" and the French President nodded in agreement. Oooh, you Cynic you, Dai.................but I reckon there's a lot of truth there. Hi Fern, I really am sorry that you think that way. This thread started at the point where Cameron had gone to the EU to negotiate some changes in the EU and failed. The thread then dealt with the surprise of Cameron deciding to hold an Referendum, which he has admitted he was sure he would win........and, to be honest, so was I. The nature of the Thread changed completely when, to everyone's surprise and disbelief, the UK voted OUT. I think everyone, from either side, has put their "two penneth worth" in and discussed the event fairly amicably. I take my Hat off to Clueless who has argued with consistency and great intelligence on both sides of the subject' He also voted "IN". Since then he has pointed out the possible consequences, the possibility of hostile EU political blocking and barriers being set up, and done that in a way that lent weight and credence to his points of views. And in all that time, I have seen no jeers, no malice, no spite, no desire to catcall from the sidelines. by him. I am, I admit, politically naive and I have been taken aback by the depth of division that the decision to leave the EU has created. The fundamental nature of the Thread changed as well because of the reality of us leaving and the raw disappointment felt by those convinced we should stay in....and created a even deeper division. But we, in the UK, are at the stage [willing or unwilling] of leaving the EU, Article 50 probably being triggered in early 2017 and, if that happens, being out of the EU by sometime in 2019. That's fact, it's where we are now. I voted "OUT" not because of immigration, but [a] to be free of the ever entangling EU legislation and not to become part of a Federal state. Had the decision gone the other way I would have shrugged my shoulders, given a sigh, and accepted the decision.....well, what else is there to do?? But that Referendum decision means a team of people will have to climb those barriers and blocking that clueless has so succinctly pointed out. That means our jobs, our economic future in Europe, depends on them. Free trade with the rest of the world is already there, the USA, via John Kerry, stated that informal trade talks with the UK are in progress, countries outside the EU are volunteering in numbers to either increase their free trading with us or start to trade with us. So having said all that, I cannot understand the depth of passion, possible spite, malice, or anger, that would lead anyone to stating that they will jeer, denigrate, mock, taunt or sneer at the negotiations on which the jobs of thousands of jobs, of those in the EU and the UK, in the hope that those negotiations will fail. For what?, the cheap thrill of the possibility of small victories, of "I told you so", when compromises are made on both sides. As I said,I am politically naive, but even I see that the decision has been taken and we need to recognise that we will all be out of the EU within two years when Article 50 is triggered.
Just picking up on what you said @ARMANDII some 52% of us voted to leave so I don't follow why you think everybody would be surprised.
To be honest I stopped posting as I suspect that I was the naughty boy who got this thread temporarily closed
At least it would appear the politicians in the South are accepting we are meant to live in a democracy and working towards what the majority of the UK citizens voted for which is a b sight better than what we NO to Scottish Independance voters are having to face. I voted to remain in the EU but accept a majority voted for out. So be it and let's work towards making the most of it.
I can't answer for Our Mandy, but possibly because a percentage of that 52% admitted the only reason they voted Leave was because they actually thought it would be a Remain majority and did so for a bit of "balance" (yes, I've met a couple of them). Others I've spoken to voted Leave, because that is what they *felt* but didn't believe it would happen and were a bit shell shocked when Leave won the majority vote and a sense of panic kicked in. Of a good number of the younger voters, they took it for granted that Remain would win and, looking at some of the numbers, simply didn't bother to vote for something they believed was a foregone conclusion ( Ooopsie! ). Hopefully, all of them have learned a very valuable lesson: your vote *does* count; use it wisely! Who knows, this may even shake up voter apathy for the future?
... and probably an equal number of folk did this the other way round too. I've met a few who voted Remain to balance the Leavers, so they were not surprised that Leave won.
