Wind Turbine

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  1. Phil A

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    I've got a wind turbine :)
     
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      Yes @Zigs I recall you posting pictures, and it provides you with all your electricity if I remember that right too.:ideaIPB:
       
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        Just a back up for the solar panels, chances are if the sun's not out then the winds blowing :fingers crossed: DSCI0193.JPG
         
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          Good afternoon I have some in the back garden :heehee:

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            I thought that was a big sunflower!!! :scratch:
             
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              We've just been touring through Austria, Hungary and Slovakia and have learnt a bit about renewable energy.

              "Lower Austria receives almost two thirds (63 percent) of its electricity from hydroelectric power. About a quarter (26 percent) comes from wind energy, with the remainder generated by biomass (9 percent) and solar (2 percent) power systems."

              Lower Austria is the largest of their nine states and receives 100% of its electricity from renewable sources. The 'biomass' part is from burning their rubbish. The whole of Austria is 75% renewable. Apparently, they're hoping to gradually increase the solar part (a lot of solar farms are coming into commission) and not replace some of the wind turbines when they eventually pack up.

              They built a nuclear power station but have never commissioned it as they decided it wasn't needed.

              One of their biomass burners - the embellishments are purely artistic in order to make the chimneys look better.

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                There's a wind farm on the hill behind this village. You can't see them from the village but you can from other places.
                I don't find them such an eyesore as the pylons and electric wires criss-crossing the countryside, but they do make an awful noise as they swish around, and I haven't seen any red kites on the hill since they've been erected :(

                There are 15 (I think) altogether, and another 20 or so have been approved for the adjacent mountain.
                Farmers also have smaller ones on many farms now, so wherever you look you can see them.


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                  Read today that while there was much crowing about Scotland producing more electricity than the UK's requirements on 7th August, it was not made quite so public that the producers were paid £3,137,000 "compensation" on 1 DAY to switch turbines OFF. Watch out everybody our bills for electricity will be rocketing even further to pay for these type of occurrences. This is the highest payment made for 1 day which tops what the producers got paid for a single day last October which was also over £3,000,000.
                   
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                    I'm not prepared to argue one way or the other on aesthetics or stupid payments but there is a possible answer in the near future.

                    The reason that the owners of turbines are being paid so much to not produce is that there is no way for them to store the power when it's not needed - although they can easily produce more.

                    There is a very current invention that may be able to produce a storage facility without too much problem and with also being 'green'. The theory behind the science is sound but there needs to be actual work done on it. This work, to produce and test the theory, would cost about the same as decommissioning one offshore oil rig (£100m). We, the public pay about 50% of that decommissioning at the moment :rolleyespink: and the total projected bill is £50bn. :yikes: So it seems logical to use that sum from just one decommissioning to try and prove the efficacy of it. A pilot project is being constructed at the University of Chester's Thornton Science Park.

                    The idea is to use the power generation to store air under high pressure (through a compressor) underground in salt caverns (look it up) or in the empty oil caverns from where the rigs have taken the oil. When the power is needed the high pressure air will be released through an expander and into a generator. Simples!!! :)

                    In the meantime:-
                    There are 5,372 onshore wind turbines and 1,465 offshore turbines. They produce 34m MWh of electricity, which is enough to power 8m homes with a reduction in in CO2 emissions of almost 15m tonnes p.a. Source: UK Wind Energy Database (Collated from the wind energy producers :noidea:)
                     
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                      Interesting @shiney. From personal experience I am extremely skeptical about any figures produced by the Wind Energy Database unfortunately. I wonder if they have also collated the accurate figures as to just how much the manufacture, transporting (often from overseas) and erecting of these turbines plus ancillary works to the sites, eg the gargantuan amounts of concrete in the region of 1000 tonnes per turbine to make a stable bases, added to CO2 emissions?
                      I hope that I am wrong and history will be able to prove that this type of renewable energy has indeed gone towards the well being of our planet. I'll be dead and buried long before, if ever, anything can be proven 1 way or the other, all I do know is those landowners who have wind turbines on their land are as happy as pigs in clover whether or not they are contributing to making our world a better place and have scant regard for those unfortunate enough to live close enough to be affected.
                       
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                      We have 4 scattered across the hill now, don`t know if more to come, I assume they have to be connected or something before being allowed to "spin" as apart from the odd slow movement now`t happening.
                       
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                      @silu I agree that there are a lot more factors that need to be taken into account. The costs involved (financial and chemical) do need to be taken into account when showing all these figures but there doesn't seem to be anything available.

                      I have said all along, in discussions over renewable energy, that they are a good idea if they can be made to work efficiently. This would mean a simple way of storage of the excess energy so it can be used when required. The system, proposed above, would be good (if it works) as it produces no deleterious effects and is totally clean. It's only storing compressed air and making use of areas underground that are already available.

                      Renewable energy is going to have to be the eventual answer unless they can use nuclear reactors properly and safely - and get their fingers out with building them. Of course, fusion reactors would be the answer but they're very unlikely to happen this century - if at all. Maybe they might be able to expand on the Tokamak research they are doing but I wouldn't hold your breathe.
                       
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                      I very much agree with your sentiments @shiney, it is the sly way that less than scrupulous companies and individuals have jumped on the gravy train of renewables and at the same time are heralded by some as planet savers that sticks in my craw!
                      If compensating companies/individuals with £3 million plus for 1 day to not produce wasn't bad enough I heard last night from an "expert" (he wouldn't call himself as such but was chosen to advice Donald Trump over his fight re a proposed wind farm so knows a great deal) that on the date in question (7th August) it was so incredibly windy that many of the compensated turbines would have had to be shut down for safety reasons. Talk about hitting the jackpot, huge compensation when they wouldn't have been able to operate!
                       
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                        I used to be a fan of these things until the truth about their costs and payments became clearer.
                        The public are getting ripped off under the pretence that these things are great for the enviroment.
                        Theyre spreading like a cancer across our countryside almost unchecked and in my region the Scottish Borders the power mad SNP are giving them unlimited planning permission despite local and council objections.
                         
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                        One of my friends worked in Kirkcaldy (Scotland) manufacturing wind turbine blades, He was paid off at short notice and the factory closed, Six months later wind turbine blades were arriving in Scotland manufactured in the Netherlands, shipped over here then a long load lorry taking them to site, His company had trained workers from the Netherlands how to manufacture fibre glass blades,
                        Some of the ex workers now work in the Netherlands repairing and maintaining the blades, in Europe all Rope work stuff at height
                        The Scottish Government sanctioned all of this WHY ?
                        He and all the others were on UK minimum wage, yet higher wage earners in The Netherlands, could manufacture, then transport by sea and slow extra length lorries to sites within a mile of his ex work place ?
                        They are an eyesore, the noise is unbelievable constant whop whop whop and not yet mentioned the flickering light as they go on and on blocking the daylight
                        If it is windy they can not run, if their is no wind they can not turn, so we turn to Solar power
                        very good unless it is dark,
                        SNP have got rid of our last coal fired power station, causing grief to thousands of people in the area, No more power workers, to buy papers, cigarettes, sandwiches, juice, lunches, burgers, from the local vans, bus fares taken to get to work, and now on Housing Benefit, unemployment benefit, Child tax credits, JSA
                        Worse than that they now import and pay for electrickery from ENGERLAND their sworn enemy

                        The SNP have achieved their low footprint, Yes out of Scotland and into ENGERLAND Thousands of footprints out of the place

                        Sturgeon, Today I have a signed piece of paper from Germany
                        Sturgeon, Today I have full appreciation from Putin to deny the use of Trident
                        Sturgeon, Today as our last oil rig closes we will be totally self sufficient, at planting potatoes and oats

                        Jack McH
                         
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