Smart Meters Good Or Bad?...

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  1. shiney

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    Whoops! did I start something? :hate-shocked: :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
     
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      Obviously, I cant say how it will be in the UK, but here...

      After they installed the meters here, peak period higher rates were removed. As regards remotely turning off power for a single household, at least here they cant.

      They use the Companies power to operate, in our case that is E-On. Info is transmitted over the mobile phone network, and uses the customer number as the "telephone number."

      I personally see no disadvantages whatsoever with them. Since they were fitted, we dont have to allow a man into the house at regular intervals, or have an ugly box containing the meter on the outside of the house. As regards health issues, why worry? We never think about those in regards to those caused by putting a mobile phone to our ears countless times.
       
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        I think the main problem with a lot of the old fuddy duddys on this thread is that you're confusing " smart meter " with " monitor ".
        A meter is a meter NOT a monitor.
         
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          That's me! :dbgrtmb: And proud of it :old: :heehee: I'm not President of The Grumpy Old Men's Club for nothing. :loll:

          Are you sure? :th scifD36: :snorky: Show me the spec on them. :)


          I don't use a mobile phone - new-fangled contraptions, Pahh!!!! Grump, Grump :snork:

          To be a bit more serious, I just can't see the need for me to have one. It won't do anything that warrants me having one. :noidea: The same as me not using a mobile phone, ipad, notebook, kindle and all the other similar things.

          I have what I think I want and don't bother with others.

          It's not that I don't have things but I just have what I want and not what someone else thinks I should have.

          I have central heating, solar panels, air-conditioning, don't change cars because they have some new equipment (a cousin of mine changes his car every year, for the latest model - so can't afford holidays!). My car is coming up for nine years old and am not thinking of changing it any time soon and Mrs Shiney's car is 16 years old.
           
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            Meters record the usage but companies monitor that information and utilise it accordingly (e.g. sales, marketing, premium pricing etc.). A smart meter records usage in live time thereby giving more accurate details than currently available. The increased accuracy of that data would enable more in-depth analysis. As with many "good ideas" for making life more efficient it could bring unintended consequences which people are right to have concerns about and wish to discuss.
            Yes :)
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            Not quite: reducing energy consumption is all part of the Kyoto Protocol. However, this roll out of smart meters is driven under EU legislation which requires 80% of homes to have the meters installed by 2020 but (this is the Central Government Hair Brained bit ;) ) Britain set the bar at 100% of homes, which is going to prove pretty difficult to meet when the current hubs only work in around 70% of properties (and one of the issues is the availability of mobile networks to transmit the data). :rolleyes:
             
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              In the shorter term: to meet the targets :heehee:
              Thinking a bit more long term, it wouldn't be for *you* per se, but for your property.
               
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                You can choose a woman now? :dunno:
                 
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                  If you refuse one, you might find it hard to access all tariffs. This is because in future the cheaper tariffs offered by suppliers might only be available to customers with smart meters.

                  I can always wait and see :dbgrtmb:

                  Never going to happen :heehee: Definitely can't happen in @Jiffy's area :snork:

                  They may think that way but I don't :noidea:

                  Is there a catalogue? Shhh, don't tell Mrs Shiney :loll:

                  I know there must be some way for them to use the company's power and not mine so I guess it must be connected on the company side of the recording device. :th scifD36:


                  We see a man about every 24 months (the legal requirement for the company) and he's indoors for about 10 seconds. This doesn't always happen. Sometimes they don't bother :noidea: and other times we are not in when they arrive, or it's only Mrs Shiney who is in and she won't let them. Then they make an appointment that suits me. :blue thumb:

                  Our meters were in indoor cupboards and have been there, in one form or another for 60+ years. Actually, we now have a gas meter in a box on the outside wall because I wanted to change our pipes around (reduced the number of them) and also use the cupboard space that the meter was in. That box is not only not ugly (I suppose it might possibly be if it was in a conspicuous place) but is not easily visible because I decided where it would go.

                  I still try to uphold the old, but silly, notion that 'an Englishman's home is his castle' and I make the decisions in Shineyland. :whistle: (Except when Mrs Shiney makes them for me. :roflol:)
                   
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                    so some houses here are going to have smart meters but have no elecy :wallbanging:

                    Yep

                    Yep 100% - two homes :ideaIPB:
                     
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                      IMG_0298.JPG IMG_0297.JPG Thanks for all the answers to my initial question:blue thumb: Mr Kandy tried ringing the number on the letter and after he was told he was in a queue for eight minutes hung up and we went off for a nice walk instead.:snorky:

                      Shiney I agree with you to some extent about not having things in the house because someone wants you to have it.One reason why we don't have Solar Panels filling our house roof:snorky:

                      This is the letter and leaflet that came in the post.I will let him read all the posts on here and might persuade him to hang on a bit before taking the plunge as at the moment there isn't too much information about having them fitted and what people think to them.Perhaps I need to contact our local radio station and see if they can get someone from the energy companies to explain the pros and cons of having them fitted.Or we could always ask Dim for his ideas on them:snorky:
                       
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                        Our existing meter is located in a high level kitchen wall cupboard about 2m above floor level, and by leaning across our dog's crate that's immediately beneath it I can just reach a door knob and shine a torch into the cupboard to see both standard and Economy 7 readings, which we take every week.

                        A new digital smart meter only displays one reading at a time, so we would have to move dog's crate, get up on some steps and press buttons to toggle between readings, climb back down, put steps away and put dog's crate back underneath.

                        We know exactly how much electricity all our appliances use and have weekly meter readings going back over 10 years. A 'smart' meter records costs, not consumption in units, so any records it provides are useless for monitoring consumption.

                        When I explained that to them they agreed it would be of no use to us whatsoever.
                         
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                          The Read out can be placed anywhere in the house so there would be no need to go to such lengths to read it.
                          It is the Read out thing (cannot remember the name) which we have turned off as it bleeps, not the meter in the Electricity box.
                           
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                            Is the readout thingy bluetoothed to the meter? If so, then the beeps could be that the batteries aren't working at full power. :scratch: This happens with the monitor for our solar panels.
                             
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                            Dur?
                             
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                              Does the read out get it's info by wifi or is it hard wired to the meter?

                              If it's by wifi do you have it plugged into the mains or does it run on batteries?

                              If it runs on batteries then the equipment sometimes beeps if the batteries aren't charge up enough. :)
                               
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