Smart Meters Good Or Bad?...

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  1. ARMANDII

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    I'm not against technology "per se", I have a top end Desk Top, a very good Laptop, Garden Weather Station, most of the Media stuff, etc so I don't think I can be accused of being a "Fuddy Duddy" or a Luddite:dunno:

    But I am, like a lot of people, not naive enough to believe that the "free" installation is free. When we pay our energy bills there are various taxes, other than VAT, that we are hit with, one of them being a "Green Tax" which is around 9% of your/mine annual energy bills. Apart from adding to the Government's coffers it was originally derived to fund "free"/Discounted cost of Cavity Wall Insulation and Loft Insulation. There is also rumour of a further £50 to the Green Tax by 2020 and £75 by 2030. You'll note that while most people have taken up the offer of the Free/Discounted House Insulation that we are still paying the same proportion of the Green Tax rather than it dropping due to the success of the campaign.
    I have been contacted by my present Energy Supplier about them installing a Smart Meter for my House, and I have refused. Why??. Well, at the moment, I'm still mentally capable, [Quiet in the Back Row:nonofinger::heehee:], and able to send my energy use details by the Net. I also like to be in control of whatever information going out, coming into my own personal little World. Also why I like technology I think we all know that Smart Technology ain't all that smart because of the use that people put it to. You only have to look at the Energy Companies own systems to see the number of mistakes, over payment, sending of tons of unnecessary paperwork and even Bills telling you that your Debit/Credit at that time is £00.00p. Plus there is always the cynical suspicion that, despite the assurances of the Government and Energy Companies, the Smart Meter is not all that Smart, is not secure enough, can be used to obtain and analyse other information and be used for Marketing purposes despite the assurances that it can't.
     
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      :heehee::roflol:.............I doubt that very much, Kandy:heehee:

      It all boils down to the fact that it's you own personal choice. Do you think Smart Technology is smart and do you trust the Government and your Energy Company with taking control of your information and energy? If so, go for it!! If not..................:dunno::snorky:
       
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        Solar panels - it takes so long to recoup the cost of installation - you will have moved house before you start earning. Neighbours looked into it and decided against it when they did the calculations.

        The problem is the feed in tariff - the amount the gov't pays for solar generated energy - it's fallen quite a lot in the last few years - so installing new panels on the now lower rate just doesn't make financial sense for the average joe household.

        Despite this - they are a good way for Council's to generate an income stream by installing them on public buildings - so there is a small margin for profit if the panels are placed long term on larger public buildings.
         
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          A neighbour at the junction of our Grove installed Solar Panels under contract some years ago. He's been trying to sell his House for the last two years and failed to do so because buyers don't want to inherit the Solar Panel contract........so he's stopped trying to sell the House.:dunno::snork:
           
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          I'm loving our panels. Cost 6k,get 500quid per annum payments, and even better the old meter spins backwards now knocking c.600quid per annum off our leccy bill
           
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            Originally the Feed In Tariff (FIT) was high because it was a new scheme and the capital cost was high.

            Then the capital cost started dropping so the FIT did as well. The current FIT is too low to warrant the capital outlay but, up until April it was worthwhile.

            I'm just finishing my third year and the FIT was worthwhile when I started. In less than two years I will have recouped all my capital outlay and then it's bonus all the way. :blue thumb: Although the FIT has dropped mine, and everyone else's, will rise each year by the rate of inflation.

            £1,100 return on £6,000 outlay is a very good investment. The only thing is that you don't want to tell anyone your meter runs backwards. Technically that's illegal but you are not, by law, able to change the meter to a digital one. That is the responsibility of the utility company. On the original form it would have asked you if your meter runs backwards but you probably wouldn't have known whether it did or not.

            First of all you didn't understand the question ;)
            Secondly, if your meter is one with a little spinning wheel in it you wouldn't have recognised which way was running backwards, anyway!
            Thirdly, you would have almost certainly looked at it, if you bothered, at night. The meter would definitely not have been running backwards then.

            Your meter number would have been entered on the application form - otherwise you wouldn't have been allowed to have the FIT. The utility company should know from the meter number that it's an analogue meter so should have come to change it. After all, they're the experts! :noidea:

            Most utility companies are running about 5 years behind on installing digital meters. When they finally get around to changing yours, if they do, and they notice it was running backwards (may not bother) they can only charge you for an estimated 12 months worth.
             
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              @shiney thanks for the info. If I get interrogated I will act all dumb. It comes naturally to me you see.:rolleyespink: :rolleyespink: :rolleyespink: ;)
               
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                I've been able to appear the 'confused pensioner' since the turn of the century. :old: :whistle: :heehee:
                 
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                  Of course it is! :heehee: :whistle:
                  But, it depends on who you listen to.
                  • Which? "no upfront charge to customers"
                  • Uswitch: Nothing. Your smart meter will be installed by your energy supplier at no charge to you. The cost of the roll out is covered already in your energy bill - the same way that installation and maintenance of traditional meters is.
                  • EnergyUK: You won’t be charged to have your meters replaced
                  • MoneySupermarket: At present, suppliers are adding roughly £6 per year to energy bills to cover the roll out cost.
                  Costs:
                  Estimated cost of installing Smart meters nationally: £11bn (or £12.1bn depending on where you read it)
                  To customer: estimated ... the smart meter roll-out will cost every home about £215.
                  Savings (potential)
                  Estimated annual saving to energy suppliers: £300m
                  To Customer: "... government estimations, smart meters will help to reduce electricity usage by around 2.8% and gas use by around 2% on average. This could save £15 on electricity bills and £12 on gas bills a year. (£27 combined p.a.)
                  Food for thought ;)
                   
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                    So cheaper bills :whistle: i don't think so
                    Is this part of project FEAR, where you have the smart meter, then watch it for a few days and see the cost rising:hate-shocked: and it make you switch things off, then you head back to normal use :snorky:
                     
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                      Project FEAR I think - those who don't turn off the lights - because their bills are not an issue - won't suddenly turn off the lights - because the bills still won't be an issue even with a shiny new smart meter installed.

                      A load of bumf...:th scifD36:

                      The cost of installing the new meters - that's what's going to push up the bills.:whistle:
                       
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                        £11 Billion what a terrible waste of money. Just imagine what 11 billions could have done elsewhwere?
                        In the energy sector a tiny proportion of that could have funded tidal energy research giving cheap energy to millions or funded millions of new solar panels.
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                          Sorry to be slow in responding. Having a fantastic time in the Big Easy and little time to get online.

                          BAD BAD BAD

                          They use the data to figure out how to sqeeze you. Our bill has doubled in the last 18 monthes.
                           
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                            @CanadianLori I'm pleased you're having a good time :thumbsup:

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                            I knew you would report that the smart meters are a bad idea. I remember you talking about them. Hasn't it made it a lot easier for them to control, and charge a lot more, for peak times?
                             
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