YOU'VE GOT TO BE JOKING, USA!!

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  1. pete

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    In words of one syllable please.
     
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    Just to lighten the mood :sofa:

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      I'm not "down" about it, Pete, I find it really interesting and I'm sympathetic to the situation. But, Trump is a Republican that senior Republicans have rejected or disowned and the Senate and Congress while being controlled by the Republicans will not be brow beaten by him. There's a chance here that the USA might go into isolationism in many areas and that won't be good for the USA or the world.:dunno::snorky: I admit that I'm not able to forget what Trump has said and done over the campaign, his whole bullying, ranting, and threatening behaviour but he's not going to be Prime Minister in the UK so I'm happy enough. I do think that the USA has their own kind of Mussolini

      Are you talking about just in the USA, because a lower dollar translates on the world market as higher oil prices........check it out:dunno::snorky:
       
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        Sorry, Anthony, it's a case of finger trouble.......it should read POTUS which means President of the United States. A number of the american security services refer to the President as POTUS..........they love abbreviations!!:dunno::heehee::loll:
         
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          Really??, Honestly??, pete?? ..............you really think that by only having two candidates of the calibre, character of Clinton and Trump that the american elections have successfully ended up with the right candidates???:dunno::heehee: There's million of Americans walking around the streets who would, given the political support, be better qualified educationally, morally, and character wise that would run the USA honestly and competently............but the Dollar comes before Democracy and has led to this sad situation where two highly undesirable characters are forced on the American Public:dunno::coffee:
           
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            I agree, but its pretty much the same over here, not the same razamataz, but we only get to vote for those that the parties put forward, over there they do at least get the chance of electing the candidate.
            They are two, as you put it, highly undesireble candidates that the public chose.

            We on the other hand have the candidates the party put forward.
            So we dont get a choice, its vote for him/her or dont bother.
             
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            That is the one saving grace - he could end up achieving sod all thanks to his "own party" blocking every hair-brained scheme that he has. The current speaker of the house of representatives (Paul Ryan) is quite conservative minded on economic issues for example and commands enough respect to be taken notice of by his fellow republicans.
             
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              I'll let Armandii or someone more brainy than me tell you the ins and outs but basically, if no-one gets more than 50% of the votes then the lowest candidates are knocked out and their votes are redistributed amongst the other candidates and so on until someone reaches the magic number. Very rarely in this system does the person with the most votes win which is why it's such an unfair system.

              What you've just described, one person one vote, winner takes all I the system we use to elect our MP's now.
               
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              Maybe, just maybe, those fellow republicans have been getting it wrong though @longk? It is as plain as day that there is a hell of a lot of political unrest around the world at the moment - and to me, the underlying themes seem to be very similar - people have had enough of the smarm, the lies and the self-serving ways of the traditional politicians. It seems to me that the working classes are trying to send a very clear message, but for some reason those who can only be referred to as the more fortunate in society simply do not 'get it'.

              What has to happen to get this message across? Does it need mass gatherings with pitchforks outside political establishments to convey the strength of feeling?
               
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                Dont understand the first bit Anthony, but as to the second part, no, it doesn't happen that way in the UK.
                If it did, scotland would have nowhere near the amount of MPs that they have.
                The amount of MPs that any area gets has no bearing on the population, so no, in the UK not all votes are equal.
                 
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                I doubt very much whether or not anyone can claim to be brainier than any other person, Anthony, and you have held your own in many past threads it's just maybe a matter of "experience" than anything else. I often get into "discussions" with the people I work for at the moment and have, several times been forced to retreat or had my point of view coldly and efficiently demolished by them:dunno:........but there has been a few times when we agreed:heehee:

                Sorry, Anthony, are you meaning the USA electoral college and voting system?:scratch: I think it's a bad system in that it gives the winning candidate all the electoral votes of that State where they're voting. I think it's fair that a winning candidate should keep just his votes but hijacking the votes of people who didn't vote for him/her just distorts the whole system.:dunno::coffee:
                 
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                  Yeah, I agree.:biggrin:
                  Its very similar to awarding a constituency to one person when they maybe won it by one vote.
                   
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                    Frexit next ?

                    Then Nigel Forage storms to victory after forming a new political party loosely based based on Trumps ideals. That should be a 2000-1winner
                     
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                      I think Nigel has had an eye on the future after resigning as Leader of UKIP and is intent on forging new financial contacts and deals in the USA with the Republicans. He's a canny lad!!:heehee:
                       
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