Titanic - The New Evidence

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  1. Fat Controller

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    Did anyone see this on New Year's Day? I had recorded it, and then lost it when our TiVo box decided to die. Thankfully, nowadays we have catchup and broadband, and I have just sat and watched it - really good it was too. I would even go as far as to say that it makes a whole lot more sense than the traditional understanding of the events.

    Titanic: The New Evidence - On Demand - All 4
     
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      I didn't watch it, was there a big cover up :biggrin:

      I thought you were ill !!!!!!!
       
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        Just a bit of a cover up!

        I am, but my thumb can still work the remote control thankfully, else I would be sat watching daytime telly rubbish. As soon as some woman came on prattling about moving to Australia earlier on, I lost the will to live, so had to find something at least a little interesting
         
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          I watched it (about the only thing I was fit enough to do :noidea:) and seemed a good theory. We'll now have to wait some years for all the arguments back and forth. :sad:
           
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            If your thumb fails, there's always your nose ... or toes! ;)
             
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              Obviously, I've not seen the documentary. Despite that, I'll pass an opinion.

              The suggestion that this evidence is new is hardly true. Its been known for years that there was a fire on board. This was probably in the coal bunkers. Such fires were, and are still common in large coal fired boilers. Even remaining coal fired power stations have them.

              The Titanic was not a fast ship, and, to add to that, due to a coal strike at the time, was sailing at half speed at the beginning of the voyage. That was partly due not only to the coal strike, but also to the fact that the engines were new, and had to be run in.

              It is known however that the ship was travelling at full speed immediately prior to the tragedy. The standard procedure at the time, if a fire was discovered in the bunkers was to steam as quickly as possible to the nearest port to get the fire extinguished. They are difficult, if not impossible to put out at sea.
               
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                The other reason to steam at full speed is in order to shovel as much of the coal into the furnace as possible.
                 
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                True, but they still would not have reached the fire. Generally speaking, a bunker coal fire would not be at the top or bottom of the bunker, but somewhere in between. As the fire burned, it would travel slowly upwards. Thus going further from where the coal was removed. On top of the bunker, there would be what were known as Coal Trimmers,

                These men adjusted the level of the coal to keep the boat in trim. So to a certain extent, they would also change the relative position of the fire.

                The Engineers would not risk damaging the new engines by running them at full speed unless there was an emergency that forced them to do so.

                As a layman, I would make this guess. The Captain knew of the fire, therefore chose to take the gamble of saving the ship by taking the most direct route to the nearest port as quickly as possible, and take the risk of hitting icebergs that were known to be present in the area.

                I'm not for one minute trying to say the evidence is incorrect, only that it is not new. I have read reports of this that are 10 or perhaps 15 years old.
                 
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                  Some of the new evidence is that the fire was known to be burning before the launch and was covered up because White Star Lines were in financial trouble because of the competition from other lines. They need the publicity of a successful transatlantic voyage by the biggest ship in the world.
                   
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                    As I have had to spend more time indoors this Christmas due to my dodgy knee so I saw the programme.Evidently photos of the Titanic which are over 100 years old have recently been found and whilst the photos were being studied closely a dark stripe on the side of the ship down near where the water line would have been has been found which is at the same level as to where the fire was but at the time people didn't know about the fire and only after more investigations it came to light about the coal fire which was burning even before the ship left Belfast.Because of the fire the fireman who were due to be aboard Titanic stated that they wouldn't be on that ship as they knew what a coal fire could do so more fireman had to be found.

                    Also a lot of the workers were told to keep their mouths shut and just get on with the job they were paid to do and nothing more was said.While the ship was sailing down to Cherbourg and then on to Ireland the workers were frantically trying to take out the burning coals to put into the boilers.Eventually the fire in the first coal bunker was put out but the metal on the bulkhead had warped in the 1,000c degree heat causing there to be a weakness in the metal.Also I think a second fire was found in the next coal bunker which I think was still burning at the time of the strike with the iceberg.

                    I saw a programme a few years ago that said that cheaper rivets and metal was used on parts of Titanic when she was being built and this was given as the reason why the rivets popped out when she struck the iceberg.

                    All in all it was a tragic state of affairs that so many innocent people lost their lives due to people's greed for money and fame:sad:
                     
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                      The technique they used to recreate the launch was astounding - apparently they used 2 photographs taken at different times - and filled in what happened in between. It looked just like a piece of film.
                       
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                        I must watch it some time:smile: sounds interesting.
                         
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                          I saw it. It's probably a bit more plausible than the other theory, that the titanic sunk before its maiden voyage and was swapped for the Olympic.
                           
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                            I'm just a simpleton and don't really attach much to validity to alternative theories/conspiracy theories:dunno: After the string of the "Man hasn't landed on the Moon" conspiracy theories that keep appearing even to this day I tend to stick to what actual facts and evidence is before us. Dr Robert Ballard found the Titanic, after much searching firstly by Jack Grimm and then Ballard, on the 1st September 1985. His photography and videos taken of the Titanic proved only that [a] she broke in two on the way down to the bottom, [c] the debris field is over 2 square miles the continuing corrosion caused biologically along with the impact damage has led to the wreck accelerating the structural collapse. There have been quite a few expeditions visiting what remains of the Titanic since 1985 gathering not much more data than Ballard did, but of course there have been many conspiracy theories regarding the cause expounded by those who were in the expeditions, and those who weren't. If you can separate the conspiracy theories from the more rational theories you can still only come to one conclusion.........there is no evidence to actually give those "rational" theories. I would be loathe to regard any photograph taken in 1912 as evidence due to the clarity and quality of them, it's hard enough to decipher some images taken today. But if conspiracy theories or "rational" unprovable "float your boat" or in this case sink it interest you then go for it. Me, I prefer cold, hard evidence that will satisfy my cynical, doubting Thomas, mind.:dunno::snorky:
                             
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