Power of Attorney to do or not to do?

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    We were just discussing whether or not to arrange Lasting power of attorney LPA for ourselves while we are still ok.

    It's not just dementia but if one was to have a debilitating stroke or a bad car accident.

    Property and financial affairs ..........and Health and welfare.
    Should we have both?

    No one knows what the future holds.
    So shall we care for our dependants or say sod it?

    Your opinions would be appreciated.
     
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      No question! Do it. :blue thumb:

      Although it's no longer cheap it's worth doing for peace of mind. You may never need it (I'm assuming you have a Will) but it can make things easier for yourselves if something unpleasant happens and make it much easier for your dependents.

      It's even easier if you definitely have someone (or more) that you can trust. I'd be inclined to have two people. Apart from the fact that they would then be monitoring the situation from different aspects it solves the problem if one of them becomes not capable themselves.

      Naturally, it's best to give the power to younger people.

      We did ours (wasn't LPA in those days, but EPA) some years back and have two people - a niece from my family and a niece from Mrs Shiney's family. They were younger in those days and one of them is already in her 50's. That's why it's best to pick someone younger as you should expect to still keep going strong in twenty years time. :dbgrtmb:
       
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        It can be all sorted out in advance, and only implemented when actually required.

        Something else to do is purchase funeral plans in advance to reduce capital that will only be taken to pay for care costs.
         
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          Husband and I have just done ours. As Shiney has said it's not cheap but much cheaper than if you leave it until you aren't maybe capable and then courts get involved and the costs are astronomical.IMO best just to bite the bullet and get POAs. Hopefully they will never be needed but I have known of people who have had a nightmare dealing with their parent's affairs when no POA is in place, It's bad enough having the distressing situation when ones loved ones are incapable of making sensible decisions themselves without not being able to deal with their afffairs as simply as possible.
           
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            It's not just when they are incapable, either. After my father died my mother still had all her marbles but didn't feel up to coping with the household admin (paying bills, dealing with the bank, the council etc.). So I was able to take over without any problems.

            The bank, quite rightly, wanted their own copy of the EPA but I was able to handle everything after that.

            My mother eventually went into a residential home (still with all her marbles but not physically able to cope at home because of arthritis) and I dealt with that. When she got cancer, seven years later, and was on drugs and becoming not quite with it I was able to make all the medical decisions. I made the decision for the doctors not to tell her as it was incurable and she was, then, not remembering things. I thought there was no point in frightening her with the diagnosis because a day or so later she would be asking what was wrong with her and being frightened again.

            The home needed to know how to deal with the matter and what to say to her and I had to fight with the medical profession to stop them from telling her. After all that was settled the owner of the home said that I had made the right decision as they had seen the situation many times before. She said that she wasn't allowed to try and influence my decision.

            The story my mother was told is that she had a bad ulcer (cancer of the tongue) and that was what they were treating. She was in pain (morphine was used) but would have been in pain whether she knew or not. At least she thought she would get better and it, mercifully, only took four months.
             
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              How very wise! :grphg:
               
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                But what happens if the attorney enacts the power (for whatever reason, good or bad) BEFORE it is actually necessary? I think this is the worry for many people.
                 
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                  As I understand it that is Why you appoint two POA's, then as with @shiney from separate locals
                   
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                  I guess that depends on the person:dunno::heehee:


                  Well, if that should happenm and is against the wishes of the Donor, you can add a clause within the form to instruct that the appointed person can not take those powers unless it is proved in Court that the Donor is mentally not capable.
                  It's usually problem free, unless there is a large estate or sum of monies involved, but families are families and people are people so nothing is guaranteed. But with small estates that have such problems you will find the problems/objections will disappear at the mention of Court action.:dunno::coffee::snorky:
                   
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                    If you do go for an EPA and not a LPA, get more than one copy as if it is needed at a later date you may find companies/banks etc don't return them quickly and you may need to send another at the same time. These have to be 'authorised copies'.
                    We found in both cases that enabling someone to act on your behalf makes thing easier either when you are incapable (my mother) or passed on (Mrs Strongy's aunt).
                     
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                      That's a standard part of power of attorney. It only comes into power if the person who has made the POA has told them they can use it or if the person becomes incapable. They can't invoke the POA by themselves.


                      That's just an added protection.

                      Don't think they have EPA's any more. :scratch:

                      Yes, you do need to choose the right people. The niece on my side of the family is a qualified teacher, a highly qualified HR executive, an executive administrator and, when she was a kid, decided I was the best village idiot she had ever met. :heehee:

                      The one on Mrs Shiney's side is a highly qualified corporate lawyer.

                      I don't think that either one of them would let the other get away with anything! :)
                       
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                      @shiney I think I got them round the wrong way! :wallbanging: We originally had an EPA but changed a couple of years ago and it is now Lasting Power of Attorney:smile:
                       
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                      This is such an interesting topic, I mentioned it earlier to my family.
                      Youngest son's response?
                      "What's to discuss? We all know I'll be given POA seeing as 'brother' isn't good with money or responsibility!"
                      :huh: :scratch: :loll:
                       
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                        I've made out a Power of Attorney in favour of my two children as there's a history of Alzheimers on my mother's side of the family. My mother has Alzheimers now at the age of 89.

                        I may also have Alzheimers myself for about a hundred years !!! as my great, great, great, great grandfather lived to 91 (born in 1765 in Cheslyn Hay when life expectancy then was only 37) and I've extrapolated that if I do as well as he did in his time and given the current average life expectancy, I should live to 198 years and 4 months. :) :)
                         
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                          If you make it to your 200th I'll pop over and visit you. :dbgrtmb:
                           
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