Trump, I Was Being Sarcastic. He He He!!!

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  1. daitheplant

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    but as Russia is the older, more mature nation, they've played it down while baby America keeps throwing tantrums.

    Clueless, may I point out that modern day Russia is the younger country, as it`s only been in it`s current incarnation since the 1917 Revolution.

    And when Scotland secedes, do we repair Hadrians Wall?

    Shiney, I think England should go further north and rebuild the Antonine Wall.lol
     
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      Nah, the Scots will do that to keep the English out ;) :biggrin:
       
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      • clueless1

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        A mere technicality. It's still the same people (well descendents of) and culture. Whereas 300 years ago, British, French and Dutch land thieves hadn't even arrived on the continent of America in any significant numbers.
         
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          I just can't bear to watch Trumpton on the telly especially when he is pointing his finger like that terrorist group do.He just makes me cringe and I have to turn the volume down on the telly and I can't even look at his face let alone his blonde wig:snorky:

          At least in eight years time Michelle Obama will be able to stand in competition against Trumpton and hopefully she will win:snorky:
           
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            Trump? He's just a pig, and an uneducated one at that. I don't think I've ever seen anyone more loathsome. Apart from himself, he has respect for no-one, and that includes his wife. And as for nepotism... well.
            There, I feel better now :biggrin:
             
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              I kind of agree, but at least he's clear about his attitude. His main rival, Hillary Clinton, always looked to me like she was hiding her true attitude. I'm going to guess that that's part of the reason that Trump won and Clinton didn't.

              I believe that if Clinton had won, there'd be not quite war but a tragic diplomatic incident involving live fire and misunderstanding between Russia and the US. She seemed to be itching for a fight. Trump on the other hand seems to have the attitude that if nobody has picked a fight, then don't waste money fighting.
               
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                I don't support either side of the U.S. election and I'm not entitled to, but I can have my own opinions. :noidea: :)

                What I saw - from the outside - was a horrendous campaign of insults that split a nation.

                Below are some extracts from an 'independent' journalist.

                "But even if this seismic shockwave doesn’t signal either the sky falling in or the start of a bright new American era, the result was, to use one of The Donald’s favourite phrases, huge. It is, in fact, a total game changer.


                In decades to come, historians will still bicker about what has been perhaps the most poisonous, toxic and stupid election in living memory. They will also be bickering over the same vexed question: how did a man who was already unpopular with the public and who boasted precisely zero political experience beat a seasoned Washington insider who was married to one extremely popular president and who had worked closely with another?


                The answer, ultimately, is in the question. History will dutifully record this as a Trump victory, which of course it is. But it was also more than that, because this was the most stunning self-inflicted defeat in the history of Western democracy."


                "The fact that Hillary’s main cheerleaders in the Irish and UK media still haven’t realised where they went wrong is instructive and amusing in equal measure. They still don’t seem to understand that by constantly insulting his supporters, they’re just making asses of themselves. One female contributor to this newspaper said Trump’s victory was a “sad day for women.” Well, not for the women who voted for him, it wasn’t."

                The rest of the long feature was a diatribe against both sides.

                On the subject of comparing the U.S. and Russia:-

                The political systems are so different that there aren't really proper points of comparison. My thoughts are coloured by personal history and current observations - not a good starting point.

                In Russia there is more of a dictatorship with the leader being supported by the apparatchiks and their masters. To live there and criticise them is a constant danger - not something I would like to have to put up with. There are good points as well. These have been personal observations.

                The personal history is more in the past but gets in the way of seeing the more modern good things. An extremely potted history (seeing that thousands of books have been written on the subject and they contradict each other) from people who lived through the upheavals:-

                The country, under the Tzar, was virtually a dictatorship with very strict rules of what could, or could not, be done by the 'peasants'. It was very oppressive but at least the people knew what was happening. Then came the Revolution. The army was sent in to supress it with lots of deaths. Eventually the revolution succeeded with the country fracturing itself and fighting wars against each other. The Bolsheviks end up winning and grant freedoms to the people - which didn't really turn out to be freedom. Just the people at the top changed and those in the middle and at the bottom tended to change places.

                Oppression ended up as the order of the day (so what's change?) with even tighter controls and more minorities being oppressed than during the time of the Tzars. So a good ousting of the top was replaced by nothing better and sometimes worse.

                Control nowadays is with a different group but there's still fairly tight controls of what you are allowed to 'think'.

                One of my grandfathers was a soldier in the army of the Tzar. He witnessed atrocities as well as good things. He then became a soldier under the Bolsheviks and witnessed even more atrocities. The army deserted in droves but he still remained, for a while. As he was from a minority that was being severely oppressed (family members being taken by the authorities and never being heard of again) he was also going to desert but was helped by his senior officer. He was given official compassionate leave 'because his wife was very ill' and a travel pass. They escaped the country but they never heard of any of the family again but heard, 20 years later from someone from their village, that most of the village had been taken away and either were shot or put in ghettos.
                 
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                    To be honest, I can`t see him doing a full term.
                     
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                      Most of the times I have seen Trump giving a speech or acting his natural self it has sent my stomach churning. But, I have to say that, having seen him make a speech whilst standing alongside Theresa May, it was the very first time that he looked reasonably sane, speaking in a tone and way that I have never seen him do before. He's been signing Executive Orders by the dozen, but he will have great difficultly in getting most of them approved by the Senate and Congress as a lot of Republican Politicians don't like him, trust him, or support him.:dunno::coffee::snork:
                       
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                        I agree that his speech was much more statesmanlike and I think that he will work his way into the job with guidance from some of the more experienced politicians. He should soon learn how far he can go with things as there are a lot checks and balances within the system.
                         
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                          What an interesting coming together yesterday ,so soon after all the controversy
                          It seems to me Theresa was calling the shots ,not an easy task away from home.
                          I think it's a case of keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
                           
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                            You might not like Trump, you might not like his attitude, but a lot of what he says makes sense.
                             
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                            I've seen this video posted a few times on social media.
                            He get his point across fairly well has a fair point.
                            (Don't click if offended by some strong language)

                             
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                              His strong language seems to be slightly limited, but I see where he is coming from.:biggrin:
                               
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