Trump, I Was Being Sarcastic. He He He!!!

I think things have been far too liberal in the last 20yrs or so.

The whole world appears to be on the move to "a better place" ie the third world moves to the west, and we just let it happen,..... no we encourage it.
It's not sustainable, at this rate the whole world will be living in just a few countries that "used" to be wealthy.

The brakes need to be applied and pretty soon before we all get swamped, there are more of them than there are of us.

So anyone who tries to look after the well being of his own country and it's citizens gets my vote.

 

the old story, a rotten apple spoils the barrel. If " ALL " folks who relocate to the US were mindful of paperwork, proper procedures and good citizens, then it would not have come to this. But we get, those sneaking in to take jobs, rob folks, shoot cops, rape, bring drugs, etc.

 

The rotten apple spoils the barrel you say?

I'm pretty sure some of those that have carried out massacres of innocent school kids were born and bred in the good ol US of A.

If the rotten apple spoils the barrel, perhaps every US citizen should be exiled as a precaution.

 

I think we all have our own share of home grown rotten apples.
The point is, do you import more?

 

Here's my personal view on this point. I warn people it is not orthodox.

I think the US has a duty to people who want to flee violence in the middle east. It was after all the US that dished out a large dollop of that violence, then went on to create a power vacuum that could only result in more violence.

Even apart from that, the US likes to take the stance that there culture is the most righteous. They talk about humanity and democracy and freedom quite a lot. It makes them a bit hypocritical then that they would turn their backs on people just because of their country of birth, skin colour or faith.

All that said, I very much agree that people coming into a country should be properly vetted. If they are new arrivals from a potentially hostile country, detain them while checking them out, then monitor them for a while even if they check out ok. Many disagree with that, likening it to the tagging of Jews, but it is not the same thing. If I go for a new job, I will be watched like a hawk until the new team feel they know and trust me. At our martial arts club we simply don't show new starters anything too dangerous until they've proven their temperament. All normal. Yet when scaled up to the scale of entry to a new nation, people don't like it.

As for people that have already proven their trustworthiness, like the Google staff that had just gone on holiday and can't get back in because of his country of birth, they are not even the same issue. They are not unknown quantities. They've had plenty of chance to wreak havoc in the US, but didn't.

They are probably more dangerous locked out than in anyway. If they work for Google, I'm going to guess that they are skilled technicians. They could mess with traffic lights, power generation, air traffic control, pretty much anything if they were hostile. They can do that from anywhere in the world that has an internet connection.

 

That all just fleshes out the point I made. Yet you hit the old X Factor button.

 

US citizens manage to slaughter around 15,000 of their own each year. Think about it, that 5 times more than were killed with the horrific attack on the twin towers. I think the risk of a few terrorists entering the US is the least of their problems. I imagine Trumps answer will be to encourage everyone to get a gun.

 

Nope. But we are discussing a situation in America. The focus is America because that's where all this current stuff is happening.

If the UK had locked people out, I would have been just as quick to point out our historical shortcomings.

 

And now it's going to affect British Citizens also.

As of today any British Citizen who holds a dual passport between Great Britain and one of the six countries he has outlined is banned for 90 days and could be banned further.

 

Never agreed with dual passports anyway.
If you emigrate at least let the new country know where your allegiance lies, I've got family with dual passports and to me they seem to want the best of both worlds.

Had an American working at my company a few years ago, he was born here but left at a very early age, we couldn't work out why he had brought his wife over and living in rented accommodation that was not ideal to say the least.
Then we found out she was pregnant, much cheaper to use the NHS, they went back after a few months.