Trump, I Was Being Sarcastic. He He He!!!

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    But if he was working here, one must assume he was paying into the system. That being the case, why shouldn't his missus benefit from his NI contributions?
     
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    Because he only worked here for about 6 months in all.
    You cant tell me his contributions in that period covered all the medical costs involved.
     
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      McCarran-Walter Act of 1952


      Wouldn't it be interesting if, at some point during his Presidential term, Donald Trump asked, "Oh, by the way, has anyone in Washington DC ever heard of the McCarran-Walter Act Of 1952”? It has been a law for almost 65 years.

      Here are the historic facts that would seem to indicate that many of the people we elect to work for us in Washington DC do NOT have the slightest idea of what laws already exist in OUR country.

      After several terrorist incidents were carried out in the United States, Donald Trump was severely, criticized for suggesting that the U.S. should limit or temporarily suspend the immigration of certain ethnic groups, nationalities, and even people of certain religions (Muslims). The criticisms condemned such a suggestion as, among other things, being un-American, dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous and racist. Congressmen and Senators swore that they would never allow such legislation, and our current President called such a prohibition on immigration "unconstitutional".

      As Gomer Pyle would say, “Well, Surprise, Surprise!” It seems that the selective immigration ban is already law and has been applied on several occasions.

      Known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 allows for the "Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the President, whenever the President finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States. The President may, by proclamation, and for such a period as he shall deem necessary, may suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants or impose any restrictions on the entry of aliens he may deem to be appropriate.”

      And who do you suppose last utilized this process? Why it was Democrat President Jimmy Carter, no less than 37 years ago, in 1979, to keep Iranians out of the United States.

      But he actually did more. He made ALL Iranian students,already in the United States, check in with the government. And then he deported a bunch of them. Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, and a total of 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the USA in 1979.

      So, what say you about all of the criticism that Donald Trump received from the Democrat Senators, Representatives and Obama?

      Additionally, it is important to note that the McCarran-Walter Act also requires that an “applicant for immigration must be of good moral character and in agreement with the principles of our Constitution.”

      Therefore, one could surmise that since the Quran forbids Muslims to swear allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, technically, ALL Muslims should be refused immigration to OUR country.
       
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        Where does it say that please? I'd be interested in reading that verse. Especially considering the quran pre-dates the US constitution by about 1400 years.

        Also, don't you have to pledge allegiance to the US constitution to be in the armed forces there?
         
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          You are taking that too --literally, it probably says something like "do not swear allegiance to any other country but "something, something" . Not sure what your referring to in the armed forces, perhaps those that are " muslims" there now, have chosen to not follow their faith, so they can pledge allegiance to the US.

          Did you know there is a phrase in the Bible, that says, call no one Father, but what is in heaven. That is in the book of Matthew. So I, do not call a Catholic Priest---Father. This phrase refers to the religious "Father" not the physical "father".
           
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            The bottomline here, is other Presidents have done this before. and no one got their panties in a twist. But because its this President. All he wants is to keep America safe.
             
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              The reason I challenged you on it is because the Internet is full of totally baseless unfounded claims. And people believe them and spread them. In doing so they spread distrust and hatred.

              The other problem is that also on the Internet there are people like me, who will openly for all to see challenge such baseless unfounded claims.

              My reference to the armed forces by the way is that there are Muslims serving in and for the US armed forces. Your government gives them guns and training and let's them loose among non-Muslim comrades, and they serve together as one unit.
               
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              And one would assume that to do that they had to pledge allegiance to our country, however, they worked that through with their beliefs is their issue.

              Muslims in the United States military - Wikipedia

              had to look of that pledge allegiance stuff about muslim. here is the answer I found---
              Islam (not Quran), prohibits Muslims and anyone for that matter, to swear allegiance to evil. So the decision is personal, if someone finds US and its constitution evil, then she shouldn’t swear allegiance.

              So basicly--- the Quran talks about avoiding that which is evil.
               
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                So earlier you said that the quran forbids a Muslim from pledging allegiance to the US constitution. Now you're saying that the quran forbids anyone from pledging allegiance to evil.

                The latter interpretation does seem more plausible. But at the same time, one can't help but wonder, in light of the latter interpretation, how one can come by the former.
                 
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                """ I """" personally did not say that, the whole thing was a copy / paste from someone else. To point out that there is already a ruling to stop immigration dating back to (whatever that date was) and having nothing to do with today Trump, but that other presidents have done it since then.

                So as you pointed out the last line and was literal, I looked it up to figure it out. Now that we know the true meaning behind that area, which is not to give allegiance to evil. IT is again, underlining how things can get twisted, to say, it said USA. When in reality the true wording in that old book never said that. BUT---Some Muslims will say loudly ---that USA is evil, and they want to kill all Americans. I have heard that myself. And note the word "some".

                and since I posted that on my facebook, no one had any objection to any of the "words", "phrases". Just saying.
                 
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                All that proves is that your friends don't publicly question dubious information that you relay.

                Please don't take it personally. We get the same utter drivel being passed around over here to, and people that I would ordinarily credit as bright and intelligent often fall for it. Our anti-Muslim lies often claim that a Muslim shop assistant refused to serve someone bacon, or refused to serve someone in a military uniform or similar. Usual just 30 seconds of googling often reveals that the shop it's alleged to have happened at doesn't even exist. Yet too many people don't bother to dedicate less than a minute to fact checking before spreading the hate. They just go right ahead and share it round.

                Everyone likes a good rumour. But when it's real people that are involved, real families with kids and a desire to get through life as painlessly as possible, surely we can spare a few seconds to check our facts before we paint them all as evil monsters.
                 
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                  It proves that all do not take it literal, and that some can surmise the intent.
                  And it is best to see the whole dog, not to just get caught up with the tail wagging.
                   
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                  And yet you used it to justify your government's action against Muslims.
                   
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