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  1. Phil A

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    Well i'm not buying anymore caviar no matter what sort of Sturgeon it comes from :paladin:
     
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      Someone should tell her that if Scotland leaves us, they'll be out of both the EU and the UK.
       
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        She already knows that, clueless, but her nationalistic extremism makes it irrelevant.:dunno::wallbanging::snorky:
         
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          Maybe so. Shame.
           
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            It's in the news today, so far she Mrs May is taking the stance I thought she would.

            There's a massive public discussion going on on bookface about it all. I'm not going to read thousands of posts and I'm certainly not going to do any statistical analysis on it, but skimming through, there is a strong theme of contempt for nicola Sturgeon and the SNP, even among those that claim to be Scots (I'm not saying they are not, I'm saying is have no way of knowing, but they claim to be).
             
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              It's very early days as yet, clueless. Theresa May has not said she will block the Referendum, but what people around her are hinting is that she may want to delay the Referendum until after BREXIT takes place.
              Sturgeon knew that by declaring her intention to invoke a Independence Referendum it would stir up her Nationalist supporters, the Media and hopefully upset the political apple cart. I think she succeeded in the first two but, in reality, not the last. She will succeed in getting a majority vote in Holyrood as the Greens will vote with the SNP, but she cannot force a time of her determination and that might prove to be a spoke in her own political wheel. The SNP got into power because the Labour Party was then already showing signs of internal breakdown, infiltration within the actual party by extremists, loss of support among it's long standing man on the street supporter. Scotland then became an afterthought as they completely became inward thinking in their Leadership battles.
              I don't think anyone expected Theresa May to be pleased about Sturgeon's decision to try to cause as much disruption in the last days before BREXIT that she can. However, Theresa May is more than aware that blocking a Independence Referendum would play into the SNP's, [and the EU's] hands who would brand her as an English Bully repressing the Scots yet again historically. I think moving to delay the Referendum is risky but reasonable, and the majority of the Scottish Public would quietly heave a sigh of relief as there appears to be no want for another Referendum. So, hopefully, that is the way it will be played. Sturgeon will scream, bluster and howl and claim Scotland is being denied a Referendum at the most important time, but I think that will damage her own political image rather than Theresa May's.
              Some Spanish EU MP's have already gone against the political hints and encouragements of the EU politicians who want to use Sturgeon demands to pressure the UK's BREXIT team. They said quite bluntly that if Scotland did vote for Independence then Scotland would go behind Turkey and the rest of the countries wanting to join the EU.......but I think I have heard some one say that about us with another country.:dunno::snorky:
               
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              I think seeing as I was mistaken in my belief that the treason act had ceased to exist, I think Sturgeon should be tried for it.

              Treason is defined as something along the lines of, any act that threatens the monarchy or the state. She is certainly guilty of that. By trying to trigger infighting at all levels right when we have to show a united front if we're going to have any chance of securing decent terms for the whole nation in negotiations with our foreign neighbours, there is no way that I can see that she can be seen to have any other intention than the demise of the whole nation.
               
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                Just because there are people with different political agendas, thoughts and opinions doesn't mean they should be charged with Treason. If that were so any political power in any country would continue in power by using that very method and no changes, good or bad would be made.
                Whenever a Scottish Independence Referendum is held in the future and should the Scottish people vote "NO" Sturgeon will be in the same political position as Salmond was, but whether or not she would resign is another matter.:dunno::snorky:
                 
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                Sturgeon is not being a regular opposition.

                Take corbyn as an example. He is politically speaking, an idiot. Yet he has a lot of support, and that's fair enough. He and his party, when taking brief breaks between rounds if infighting, challenge the plans of the government, but they don't try to start a massive fallout between all walks of society in the whole of the UK. And whether their arguments are sound and logical or not, it's clear that they on some level believe that what they do is for the greater good of the nation.

                Sturgeon on the other hand is not arguing to keep the government in check. It's hard to see how her intentions can be in any way positive for anyone. In fact the opposite is it true. She is very clear that she intends to attempt to break up the UK, without considering the UK as a whole, and without making any solid case even for her home country. She is also clear that she wants to do this before the completion of the most important negotiations for the UK in nearly half a century. Ie she is clear in her intention to break up the union and undermine the union's international negotiations.
                 
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                Corbyn is an English Politician leading the English Labour Party and has no powers that an elected Leader of a country in the Union has. Sturgeon is the First Minister of Scotland and therefore has powers that are appropriate to her position, and that included the calling of a second referendum and that was in the Manifesto on which she and the SNP were voted into power:dunno::snorky:
                 
              • Anthony Rogers

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                What I'd like to know is WHY do certain members have to turn almost every thread they comment on into a political discussion ?

                Please .... Why can't we keep politics seperate from everything else ...
                 
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                  Back to the cattle problem.......just read through most of this and here is my take, speaking as someone who has been involved with farming for over 35 years. It is the responsibility of the owner of the cattle to properly keep his or her animals in so the fence is his responsibility. If it is not up to the task, he should make it so. As far as the cattle sticking their heads through and eating your plants; well that is the way it goes with cattle neighbours and there is not much you can do about that. Traditionally hawthorne hedges have kept them at bay and there really is nothing better except brambles and blackthorn. Best plant your herbaceous border beyond neck reach or plant a hedge in between.

                  The reason the bullocks have been destructive whereas the mums and calves have not is because they test everything as young animals do. When they get big they are like tearaway teenagers; they will try everything and push the boundaries, literally and figuratively. Cows are much better behaved on the whole.
                   
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                    I suppose it makes a change from me going off topic with my own peculiar sense of humour that very few people understand. :old: :noidea: :snork:
                     
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                      Unfortunately, GC Threads do have a tendency to wander off in another direction, Anthony, so you have a good and valid point:dunno::love30::snorky: Unfortunately, I cannot guarantee that any future threads will not do the same:doh::snorky:

                      You never go off topic, Shiney, you just cover all subjects in one thread:snorky:.........................................errrrrr, have we just gone off topic again???:wallbanging::scratch::dunno::heehee:
                       
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                      • Anthony Rogers

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                        I just think that the posts made above would have been better made in a thread of their own, so why wasn't one started ?

                        I know threads go off topic and that makes things more lively and unpredictable, so I'm not against that at all but ,please, come on..... this is the third thread I've looked at in the last two hours and each one has taken on a political stance.

                        If people want to discuss the Scotland issue then start a separate thread.

                        I wonder what would happen if I went onto a veg growing thread and started putting posts about Fuchsias.
                         
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