Another General Election?

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  1. longk

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    Far from it (in my opinion). It was democracy at its best with the electorate sending a clear message, in no small part I think about the governments approach to Brexit. Theresa May has been undone by her own arrogance. She underestimated Corbyn and the mood of the people.
    I'm genuinely pleased for "Comrade Jeremy". He has endured very personal attacks (the front page of yesterdays Sun was an all time low even by Murdochs reprehensible standards) but he rose above that, put over his beliefs and ideas and basically came out of it very well as a person and a leader.I also think that he shares some of the credit (along with Brexit) for the much higher turnout of younger people.
     
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      Yes, but i agree with some things that are in all partys papers want to do list, but i can only vote for one, so on that note i think we need new blood and a new party with people that have good heads IMHO

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      If the none voters voted evenly with Con's and Labour it would be the same result as there are the main partys, but the main partys should be out there asking why you didn't vote


      I didn't vote because i done think one party that's around at the moment is good enough to run the country,
      There all keep saying they will put more money in to NHS-Schools and police but it not working
       
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        :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) I had a wee dram at about 4 am this morning when I heard that Alex was oooooout. SNP retained the seat in my constituency by 2 yes 2 votes. Lib Dem and Cons sort of cut each others throats so SNP won by the smallest of margins. I sincerely hope this result which saw over 60% of people in Scotland voting for Unionist parties will be enough to get the SNP to bury any more talk/threats of another divisive referendum.
        These past few years have been very very worrying for your average Scot. The effects of leaving the EU is 1 thing, the possibility of leaving the UK is on a whole different level.
         
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        • longk

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          The disagree button has gone!

          @Scrungee - it's a little difficult to compare the latest result with that of 2010. This election was basically a return to two party politics. Both Conservative and Labour have more seats than in 2010 as a result as well as more votes. The big difference is that Labour ended up just 2.5% behind (less than 1 million votes) as opposed to 7% and over 2 million votes in 2010. In 2010 Labour lost ninety odd seats whilst gaining thirty in 2017 (Cons gained about 100 in 2010 and lost 10 or 11 this time around). As I say, rather different landscape back then but what cannot be denied is that Corbyn appears to have connected with the electorate far better as the campaign went on.

          @HarryS - Andy Burnham would've have been an Ed Milliband level of disaster in my opinion. Corbyn has a spark that appeals to younger voters. Now I'm not saying that I disliked Ed, Andy or Gordon (or that they are/were incompetent) but Corbyn has gone about things his way and he has got results against all the perceived odds. I think that his legacy will be that he showed us a different way of going about politics.

          Would Corbyn have been a disaster? Probably not and economically with Brexit looming it will be impossible to blame the downturn on the government of the day. But British society is becoming divided in a way that harks back to thatcher and on a societal level I believe that he would have been a better choice.

          Just my thoughts.
           
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          • Scrungee

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            I found it very easy :)

            That should have been obvious before the election was called.

            JC mobilised a fantastic amount of young voters, but Labour were assisted by a PM who assumed it was in the bag and could do whatever she wanted (not just Brexit), plus by 'defecting' ex-UKIP voters.The Labour party need to do much better if they're ever going to achieve an overall majority.
             
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            • Kandy

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              So according to the news Teresa May is going to form a new parliament with the DUP but I am not too sure if that is a good idea or not:scratch:

              Been working over the Lottie all morning so have missed a lot of what is going on but I do find being blonde it is all a tad confusing:biggrin:
               
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                Theresa May also seems to be confused, one minute insisting she needs a strong mandate, then suddenly she no longer needs one, just the support of the DUP, rather than the support of the electorate.
                 
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                  Good evening @Kandy my friend being without any hair is more confusing :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                   
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                    And here's the real reason why Theresa May lost her majority, she did nothing wrong, it was it was the electorate who got it wrong.

                    Tory MP says the voters ‘plainly got it wrong’


                    P.S. I wonder how the reduced (lack of?) mandate will influence whether the HoL will now simply pass whatever the government propose?

                    And another thing, how will 'coalition' with the DUP affect the GF agreement? Will it be deemed to give the DUP excessive influence on NI matters, even more so considering the increase in Sinn Fein MPs (but who continue to refuse taking up their posts in parliament, so don't provide any representation).

                    Things could get very complicated.
                     
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                      That is so you can be agreeable ;) :heehee: :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                       
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                        I secretly believe that Corbyn picked up a lot of Muslim votes because of his stance regarding Palestine and israel. Students like my son voted for him... They think if he were the PM, there would be no tuition fee.
                         
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                        • longk

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                          Not a hope in hells chance of that happening!
                           
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                          • "M"

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                            Oh dear, they didn't think that one through very hard then :heehee: So "short-termism" ;)
                             
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                            See how effective it is? :yay: We're already in agreement ;) :heehee: :lunapic 130165696578242 5:

                            :cmonhug:

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                            • pete

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                              I'm looking back, I know hindsight is 20-20, but I cant help thinking the tories lost it rather than labour winning it.

                              I just think the Tories threw it away, they didn't give us any good bits in their manifesto unlike all of the opposition parties who appear to be getting money from all kinds of sources in order to give us an easy time.:biggrin:

                              The Labour parties money seemed to be all coming from those that earn over 80 grand a year;)
                              Seems a similar statement to the joke money that was banded about during the EU referendum that would go to the NHS.

                              People believe mostly what they want to believe, tell them the truth and you going to get caned in politics.

                              May got it wrong, and was notable in her absence from getting, "stuck in".
                              Silly cow.:biggrin:
                               
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