Peat-free Compost

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  1. Redwing

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    It is the horticultural industry that is responsible (not solely, I agree) and we as gardeners support that industry so yes....as gardeners we are also implicated and partly responsible for the habitat destruction associated with peat extraction. I said in an earlier post that if gardeners refused to buy products that contain peat and that includes plants, the industry would be forced to find/make alternative products.

    But it is rather like refusing to buy products that contain plastics.....it's unlikely to change much unless there is a big consciousness shift.
     
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    That's a bit of a Catch 22 solution for the Gardener, Redwing:scratch::doh:.

    How can Gardeners stop buying compost containing peat if there is no viable replacement.? Do they stop gardening, propagating plants, etc for how many years it's takes for a working alternative solution to be given? :dunno:

    What about the main culprits who are responsible for burning millions of tons of peat for Power Stations? You seem to be ignoring them and, yet again, focusing on the Gardeners who would use a peat free compost but, despite efforts from the Industry, none has been found. How can we point fingers at Gardeners for being non conservationist when countries are still burning Peat and Coal for Power Stations.
    Peat preservation, and the use of it in the Horticultural area, is but a tiny element in conservation and yet there seems to be an accepted drive to focus on that while rather acknowledging that Peat, and Coal, is being used in the million of tons every year for "cheap" energy. The "Elephant in the Room" are the countries who burn, in massive amounts, Peat and Coal and their attempts to divert attention and blame people who basically tend their gardens in the best way they can while conserving the Wildlife around them.
     
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    Yes it is.


    I am not ignoring the main culprits as you call them for their peat fired power stations. It is not something that I can do anything about. I do not live in Ireland and as far as I am aware there are none in the UK. But I can curb or eliminate my use of peat for gardening. I admit I still buy plants with peat in the pots but I am trying and by posting this point of view on here, hopefully some people will become aware of the problem. And perhaps a little will change. We all have to do our bit, however little it may be; we can only do what we can do. At least I am trying. You are saying gardeners are not responsible but they/we are. I disagree with you when you say, " Peat preservation, and the use of it in the Horticultural area, is but a tiny element in conservation ..." It is huge, not tiny. I wish I could find some statistics but I have drawn a blank in my research.

    Edit: drawn a blank in every sense, not just to support my view. I can't find anything that is up to date.
     
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      I can appreciate your concerns Redwing, and applaud your commitment, but not all peat extraction is bad.

      It can go hand in hand with conservation.

      The Peat Industry – Avalon Marshes
       
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        Actually, I deliberately included countries who use Coal burning Power Stations as well as Peat Burning Power Stations in that sentence as such methods are adding to pollution which is in the conservation area. Pressure has over the years been applied to the UK Governments, past and present, to eliminate such practices and to go down more Green methods of producing energy. We have now 9 Coal Burning Stations in the UK and they will finish in 2025, while also ceasing production of new petrol/diesel cars by 2044.. In the USA there are 589 Coal fired Power Station with the present Administration now opening the gates for even more Coal Burning and lengthening the life of them..........that's a not conservation policy and I suspect their view on the use of peat follow the same path. Use of Peat, Coal, timber, etc, for whatever purpose, are all intertwined and focusing on a small area merely allows the really massive users to sit back and watch with glee.

        To be honest, I think most gardeners, globally, are more than aware of the benefits and penalties of using Peat added compost and it has been discussed many times on GC. But, again, Gardeners are faced with either stopping gardening because of the unavailability of a suitable alternative.

        It's estimated that 1.5 million tons are used annually to produce cheap energy.

        No, I didn't say that, Redwing, or infer it. Nearly all Gardeners are aware of the problem with using Peat added Compost, but they are in a, as I said, Catch 22 position. They are faced with failed crops or plants if they use any of the Peat free composts on offer, stopping gardening, or continuing to use Peat Added Compost.


        I suspect we're both thinking alike but that I can't see any purpose in ignoring the real culprits and accusing gardeners who would, without doubt, switch to a Peat Free Compost that was viable and marketed at an affordable price, of not being aware of the situation or responsible for having to use Peat add Compost..
         
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          I couldn't agree more, @ARMANDII. I think it was way back in the late 70s or early 80s that Geoff Hamilton started the peat-free gardening bandwagon. So nearly 40 years have gone by without anyone, the RHS included, coming up with a viable alternative to peat. I remember following reports of their impartial trials of various peat substitutes and they were not impressed! As for the stuff that most outlets sell nowadays, I can only assume that there is a huge profit element involved in using barely-composted wood waste, because the products are certainly not plant friendly! Years ago, statistics were produced to prove conclusively that the impact of peat extraction for horticulture was sustainable. I'll have a dig around (no pun intended:biggrin:) tomorrow, or later today as it is here!
           
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            An interesting historical article @Zigs. I think people digging peat with a peat spade for their own local use is probably not detrimental to the habitat in the wider scheme of things. It is sustainable. Commercial extraction is however on a much greater scale and not sustainable. I applaud what the RSPB has done at Ham Wall. It's a super place now but it is not the peaty levels it once was but an excellent wetland habitat with reedbeds so even though the area after peat extraction has been improved immensely, it is not the peat habitat it once was; it's different, so there was IMO considerable habitat destruction due to the commercial peat extraction.
             
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              I found this article and it explains the ethics of using peat. It's not long and does make some very good points. I hope people will read it.

              BBC - Gardening - Gardening Guides: Today in your garden - Ethical gardening

              To quote just a little:

              • The most recent government figures for the use of peat and peat alternatives in growing media and soil conditioners in the UK show that although the quantity of alternatives has increased in the six years from 1999 to 2005, the amount of peat we've used - 3.4 million cubic metres (or more than 48 million standard (70-litre) bags of multi-purpose compost) in 2005 - hasn't changed greatly.
              • Amateur gardeners use 66 per cent of the total peat consumed in the UK, most of it in growing media such as multi-purpose compost and growing bags.
              • 38 per cent of the peat used in the UK comes from within the UK, 56 per cent from the Republic of Ireland, 6 per cent from Northern Europe.
              • 94 per cent of the UK's lowland raised peatbogs, one of our rarest and most vulnerable habitats, have been lost. There are just 6,000 hectares in pristine or near-natural condition left.
               
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                Sorry, I have to disagree with the " there is no suitable alternative " angle .

                For the last two years I've only used " Compressed Coco " compost. I've used it for seeds, cuttings, houseplants and in the garden.
                 
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                  Hi KFF, that's interesting and good to know:thumbsup::snorky:. I've found 2 X 10 litre Coco Coir Bricks/Blocks for £4.49 but, at that price, I would be faced with an annual bill of around £600 plus against a present bill of around £75:dunno:
                  . Also I note, that for general garden use it has be be used as a mixture as well as in potting....which would add further to my cost. Monty Don is a fan, but I'm always cautious when it comes to TV personalities recommending item's, as they very rarely have to pay for the use of the stuff used in whatever quantities they use.:doh:Some of the Gardeners in the Local Gardening Club has trialed Coco Compost and found it not to be to their liking quoting poor plant growth against peat added compost......I haven't done that but they are seasoned, knowledgeable and, more importantly open minded gardeners so that makes me doubtful of coir compost ability.:dunno:
                  I did point out that most gardeners are waiting impatiently for a suitable affordable alternative and feel frustrated that they are being accused of being irresponsible for using peat added compost, so again, in my view, there is still no viable, affordable, alternative.:coffee::snorky:
                   
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                  I've never paid more than 10p per litre, either from Poundland or Wilkinsons.
                   
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                  I think that if I can make something decent by mixing bought peat free compost and adding manure, my own compost and sharp sand and get decent growing results using unscientific methods, then the big firms could do much better with all their resources. I think if there was a demand from us gardeners good peat free products would happen.

                  @ARMANDII a question for you: if you have the biggest compost heap in your area, as you claimed a few posts up, then how come you need to buy so much peat?
                   
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                    Because, redwing, ordinary "homemade" compost does not contain, or retain, nutrients to the extent that commercial compost does.:dunno::doh: Garden compost is used as a soil improver and that is what I have used it for the last 30 or so years to do just that to my sandy, hungry, soil. It is not sterile, does not have the ability to hold Nitrogen, Phosphates, Potash and the other essentials needed to make a first class potting on or plant/seed growing. It does not have the advantages, or convenience, of commercial peat added compost which has Nitrogen, Phosphates and Postash added and which will last up to six weeks while being used as a growing medium.

                    I don't buy Peat, Redwing/:dunno: I buy between 1200 and 1800 litres of Peat added compost to grow my seedlings, new plants and Tomatoes.:coffee::snorky:
                     
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