Knocking the chill off..........

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  1. ricky101

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    Those Smoke Matches will be near useless outside, though I would not drop them into any cavity , just in case !

    The Smoke Pellets would be ideal for using outside as they do produce a heck of a lot of smoke, though only for a minute or less, but think that would be enough to penetrate any opening in the wall.

    Edit, think I would make a little tent with some polythene to hold the smoke in for as long as possible so it can really get in / give you chance to see it.
    Keep moving it along the wall until you find the entry point.

    Any air bricks on the outside wall that you cannot locate a matching opening on the inside ? not just on the kitchen walls either.
     
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      Thanks @ricky101 - I think it might be easier to go for the more smoke outside and see what comes in, rather than the other way about. There aren't any unknown air bricks as far as I am aware - there are two in the kitchen, both of which were sealed when the cavity insulation was installed.

      Our water meter sits in an underground cavity - only just underground, as we can lift the lid which is level with the patio and turn the water on/off at the meter very easily. I am wondering if the cold air is coming in through the conduit/duct that carries the water pipe in; cue another naff drawing:

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      Have you spoken to your landlord regarding this problem? Reason I ask is we are landlords and if there are problems with our properties we try to remedy the problem to everyones satisfaction.
       
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        Google "NJUG 6 'Services Entries for New Dwellings on Residential Estates'." for how services entries into dwellings should be sealed. That's what was being specified before I retired, so may have changed, but should give a good idea of best practice, used to have a copy on my desk, but can still remember contractors failing to install the specified proprietary plugs to seal around incoming services entering dwellings via underground ducts, and choosing to seal them by stuffing empty cement bags around the incoming service and covering with cement and sand mortar.
         
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          It really angers me how some landlords cut corners. We never ever let a property which we wouldn't live in happily ourselves.
           
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            Not yet - in fairness, our landlady is fantastic and I know that I only need to say the word and she will be all over it, and have something done. But, she has a tendency to spend WAY more money than she needs to (one fence panel needed replaced, she re-fenced the entire garden!), and we are long term tenants for her (good for both of us), so my preference is to work out what the problem is and either sort it (properly of course) as long as it is relatively easy/inexpensive to do so, or to at least go to her armed with the right information as to what the problem is and what we have researched as potential cures.

            Whilst I pay rent and have rights as a tenant, I am also aware that I am responsible for someone elses property, and I take that responsibility seriously.

            Please don't think we are sitting here freezing our bits off, because that is not the case at all - all I am looking to do is to iron out a little wrinkle that should make things that wee bit more comfortable and potentially save us a couple of quid in heating costs.
             
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              You sound like fantastic tenants.
               
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                We try our best @zilly - the one thing we did find when we were looking, before finding this place, is that there are a hell of a lot of letting agents that couldn't give a toss about the tenants or the landlords, and there were a hell of a lot of properties in poor condition where it was clear (to us at least) that it was due to the tenants actions or even lack thereof, and it made for a pretty soul destroying search to be honest.

                This is the third place we have rented, and I can hand on heart say that each property has been in as good a condition, or in better condition, when we have handed the keys back. Our last landlady actually telephoned the letting agent for this property to give an on the spot reference, as she was gutted that she had to sell the house; indeed, she came to visit us here to collect the keys to the old house - that, to me, means a lot.

                We are paying more a month than we would pay in a mortgage, but because we do not have £80k deposit, we will never get a mortgage - - that, coupled with my health problems means that it is almost a cert that we will never own property. So, we need to make the most of what we have, and make sure that our landlords are happy to let us stay.
                 
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                  Re the smoke tests we were talking about earlier do place the smoke Pellets in something like a small tin can as they burn hot and its base is plastic which can melt and gets very nasty if you come in contact with it.

                  I note Scrungees comments, but for where that pipe comes in I would just some standard silicone sealer which stays flexible, Screwfix sell it along with the smokers.

                  Couple of other points to add you all your thoughts.

                  If you have a draft coming it, then where is it going out ?

                  Do you have a gas fire or gas cooker, both need a decent supply of air to work safely.

                  The overflow pipes from the toilet cistern and any water tanks you may have allow a surprising amount of air in, as I discovered when I could smell smoke inside, it was from a fire outside.

                  Seems like many of these super insulated new houses have problems of their own making by not having adequate ventilation, though its a fine line between that and comfort.
                   
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                  Thanks again @ricky101 :dbgrtmb:

                  As for draught exit, I reckon that it will be going out via the attic hatch, and possibly somewhere under the staircase as there is occasionally a cold pall hanging around the bottom of the stairs. I do need to replace the draught excluder strips that I put around the attic hatch, as they are coming unstuck now - been on there for six years, so I have no complaints.

                  We have no gas fire, but we do have a gas hob which is checked and certificated every year. Toilet overflow goes into the toilet pan, and the bathroom is generally quite warm (as bathrooms go), hence me isolating the problem to the kitchen.

                  We are careful to make sure we ventilate the place, even in winter, to prevent damp - we also have air conditioning units that we can run as dehumidifiers if the need arises
                   
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                  Well, our inspection a few weeks back went without issue, and we intend to keep it that way; landlords like you are hard to find, and from a tenants point of view it is worth putting a wee bit of effort in to make sure that everyone is happy. Besides anything else, this is our home - we might not have a lot, but we do have a nice home, and we are the sort of people that want to make it as nice and as comfortable as we can.
                   
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                    If all else fails FC, could you fill the cavity under the cupboards with loft insulation?
                     
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                      Oddly enough, that was the first thing that I tried and it didn't have that much of an effect :scratch:
                       
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                        If that is the case it seems unlikely that the cold draught is actually coming from under the units.

                        You said the units dont have any backs in them, so the draught could be coming from the units themselves, not just from underneath?
                         
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                          Exactly what I was thinking Pete. :)

                          So back to an earlier idea, the draught could be coming from somewhere else and rebounding. Have you tried sealing up the kitchen doorway for an hour or so FC to see if that makes a difference?
                           
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