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  1. ricky101

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    Hi Pete,

    As you can see from my post above I was in a similar position to you , quite happy with W8.1 after using XP for many years.

    At first I could not get to grips with W8, but on a second try eventually got used to it and for me W8.1 proved very good.

    However, now seems even Microsoft admit they are not as fast getting security updates out to W7 and W8.1 , W10 clearly getting the priority , which I think can only get worse as the months roll by and security is even more important.

    I did do the free W8.1 to W10 upgrade the other year, but had various problems, but because I took full system backkup images of C drive ( eg Macruim Reflect free backup program) I was easily able to revert back to W8.1, though I also saved a copy of the W10 system, which has now been updated with the latest FallCreatorsUpdate.

    As well as the security aspect it does make you learn about all the new things, which may not be of use to you now, but it does keep you more in the modern loop.

    Have found as the years roll by its so easy to get left behind in the tech field and often feel embarrassed to find myself in situations where I look so outdated because I have not kept up to date.

    One thing we have done, which you could also do (?) is to update our old backup laptop to W10 using the method suggested in this link, but seems its only on offer for the rest of this year.
    Easy enough to try out if you have a couple of hours to spare loading it in ( very easy) but first use a system backup program / drive so you can always revert back to your W8.1.
    You can still upgrade to Windows 10 for free - but only until the end of 2017
     
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      Now he tells me !! :biggrin::biggrin:
       
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      @pete - W7 was actually a pretty decent OS; I ran it on various machines with no problems at all; indeed, my work PC still runs W7. W8 and then 8.1 were garbage as far as I am concerned, and then there was the damage done by the roll out of W10 before it was properly fettled. If they had done it in the normal way, let the early adopters get it first which would then shake the bugs out of it in time for others to decide that they want it, by which time it would have been fettled. Their mistake was to push hard to get it out to as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

      Now in fairness to it, it is actually pretty good; as it stands now, it is quite quick and it is stable. It is, however, intolerant of lack of attention; if there is an update available, then get it updated as soon as you can and it will be absolutely fine - failure to do so will cause problems, and some pretty weird ones at that (such as wifi failing to work, or not talking to printers etc).

      @ricky101 - you have already done most of the things that I would suggest you do. I would still recommend running a user account, and not the admin account as a default, however UAC does add some element of protection. The best advice I can give you is to make sure you run updates as and when they are due, don't attempt to run more than one antivirus program, DO use CCleaner and Defraggler to keep things running sweet, and install the free version of Malwarebytes which will compliment your chosen antivirus.

      And if you do find yourself in need of help, feel free to shout on here or drop me a PM :thumbsup:
       
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        Good evening since Windows 10 I am no longer in control of my computer it controls me,if I see that Cortana(personal assistant) again I shall xxxx (I have disabled it now) and I now keep getting a warning box up every time I sign in"cannot connect to all network settings)and I am going back to;)

         
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        Can someone explain what they mean, exactly, when they say W8 is rubbish but now W7 was actually OK????
        When everyone had W7 they appeared to be saying that was rubbish?

        What actually constitutes a rubbish operating system?
        And what makes a good one?
         
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        I don't recall that many people saying that 7 was rubbish to be honest @pete; 8, definitely, but not 7.

        A rubbish OS is one that makes you do more steps than you had to previously to do the same thing; or it is unstable (keeps freezing, blue screening) or refuses to play nicely with other computers, printers, networks or other peripherals, or is just generally clunky to use.

        A good one, is one that runs smoothly in that you don't actually notice it being there (no pauses, no freezes etc), one that integrates nicely with networks and peripherals.

        The real problem is that operating systems now have to do so much more than they ever did, and we still expect them to be ultra simple and ultra reliable; OS's like DOS or CPM were very simple, but they did naff all more than turn a pile of electronics into something that a user could program and use; the most complex things they did was to run word processing software, or maybe even a spreadsheet type program. Nowadays, we expect our machines to handle wireless comms, bluetooth, internet and global communications, and goodness only knows how many 'apps' to all run at the same time. When all is said and done, they are all built/coded by humans, and therefore can have flaws.
         
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          Thankyou FC, that explains to me a bit more.
          I dont do networks, I dont as a rule get freezing, although sometimes Chrome stops responding,
          must admit the printer wont work off the wifi.

          Other than that, touch wood, I dont have many problems other than me not being able to work out how to do something occasionally.That is down to my stupidity rather than the PC.

          I guess I'll never ever want to use the thing to its full potential, so it just works fine for me:smile:
           
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            I'm on W7 and it does what I need it to do with very little problems and don't really need to get it to do more.
             
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              I bought a new pc 12 months ago , all set up with W10 . Absolutely no problems, runs like a dream.
              But as Pete mentioned, I am finding that Chrome is becoming more and more clunky , keeps freezing now and then. Why should this start happening now?
               
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                Seems to happen with me after the dreaded update.:frown:

                Also I have something called "rapport", that never seems to work after an update.
                 
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                  Rapport is software that is pitched by banks - Trusteer as it is otherwise known. I am not a fan to be honest. Whilst free antivirus software does have its upsides, and is generally quite good, I wholeheartedly recommend ESET Smart Security - it is a complete package that also secures financial transactions. I have been using it for over a decade now, on all my machines (even our phones) and have never had a problem - pricing starts around £30 a year for computers, and £10 a year for phones, and worth every penny in my book.
                   
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                  From wiseowl's list, WinME, Vista and Win8.0 were the rubbish versions.

                  The jury is still out on Win8.1 and Win10 for me.

                  I have owned every version but have only used every version since Win3.0. Before that, I was using DOS for most of my computing needs.

                  wiseowl omitted Win2K and WinNT which were good solid versions for their time.


                  Windows 7 has always been a good version in my book.

                  The main reason why Win8.0 is rubbish is because it broke Microsoft's own philosophy on PC operating systems. It tried too hard to be cross compatible on smartphones as well as on PCs.

                  It was the first version to be non intuitive - you know it's a poor OS when you get calls from your friends, family and neighbours asking how to switch the PC off other than via the destructive route of the power button.

                  On a PC, the integration of the smartphone philosophy meant that the OS introduced extra mouse clicks (and swipes) where mouse clicks weren't needed before in order to get things done. For content creators this extra hurdle was a nightmare to work with.
                   
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                    Have to agree with your earlier post in that W8.1 has also been virtually been flawless for me over the last few years, a good investment for the £25 it originally cost me to upgrade from XP.

                    However would have to defer to what @Fat Controller says as perhaps doing more complex tasks it could fall down ..?

                    Regarding Rapport, something that bugs me too.

                    Basically everytime Chrome,Firefox etc are upgraded then Rapport may not work.

                    Typically uninstalling and reinstalling Rapport may make it work.

                    Often though the browsers updates are too much and Trusteer have to update Rapport to allow it to work.

                    However as I found with Firefox it can take several weeks before Trusteer produce an update to match.

                    You can check here to see what versions they currently cover.
                    Supported Platforms

                    I spoke to my bank about this delay and asked what should I do, and they stated that I should always used the latest version of the browser available, ( and windows updates etc) even if that means Rapport does not run.

                    Though a good tool, basically they say use it because many folk do not use even the most basic of antivirus measures.

                    hth
                     
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                      Could I be cheeky and slip in a question here re. upgrading a PC running...wait for it....Vista? I know, I know.....not the most with-it end user, but I don't like change for change's sake. The poor old (2006) PC is grinding to a halt but having checked out the specs, it could handle W10. I understood that it was only possible to upgrade for free from W7, 8 or 8.1 so let Vista trundle on.....
                      What are the options now? Do I have to buy W10 and do a clean install? (Ha! sounds good doesn't it? No idea what it is/how to do it :biggrin:) or should I just write off the PC :sad: It's an Acer, made back in the days when they were good. Any advice gratefully received.....
                       
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