Jury service

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  1. Perki

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    Well after the past week of doing my duty, I had plenty of time with my thoughts on what a compete waste of time and tax payers money it was :mad:. Out of all the cases this year (from 2nd Jan ) only one I am aware of went to trial. My name did come out the hat to sit on the jury. I did find it quite interesting while it lasted, the case got thrown out the next day. Other than that I've sat around twiddling my thumbs while cases are being thrown out or they've pleaded guilty.

    It must of cost tens of thousands just to have people sitting around doing nothing, they've released my group today early, they will still have to pay out to the end of the week for loss of earning for most people. So out of ten days I've done 4 and turn up for another 1 to be sent home instantly. I am not complaining I've finished early even though it is very inconvenient, I am just disappointed about how inefficient the system is and how they value people's time. Weather was relatively good last week for the time of year could of done some work and few odd jobs round the garden, typically it bloody snowing now I can do them :doh:.

    Anyone else have any experience of jury service ? I don't know many people who have.
     
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      If I was in court on a charge the last people I would want deciding my fate would be a bunch of press ganged people who just want out of there and to get back to their own daily lives.

      Out dated idea, but it does take the heat off the "professionals", thereby they dont take the can back when it is later proved that someone, initially found guilty is later found innocent.
      They can blame the jury every time.;)
       
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      • Perki

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        @pete To be fair to my group everyone did take their duty serious who got picked, I was disappointed and everybody else seemed disappointed when the case got chucked out.

        I was very reluctant to go when I first got my summons. I know what you mean though, some people will probably judge somebody fate on what they look like as well unfortunately.
         
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          From the Jurors side, and point of view, it can seem like a wast of time, money and effort but from a Court's point of view it's a necessary thing to uphold, whether or not you have faith in the Justice System, to try to make sure as far as possible that part of the Magna Carta is held true.......

          "No free man shall be captured or imprisoned or disseised of his freehold or of his liberties, or of his free customs, or be outlawed or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we proceed against him by force or proceed against him by arms, but by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land."

          So the unsuspecting man/woman on the Street is liable to try to make sure that the Law and Justice walk hand in hand, where ever possible, by being called up for Jury Duty. It may seem clumsy and inefficient but time is needed by the Courts to vet and decide on the suitability of any would be Jurors.
          Some Jurors I have spoke with were eager to be on Jury duties, some were not, and not all were capable of having an open mind in a Court case. It's easy to criticise the Jury System and the Courts but, in my opinion, they do a reasonable job in ensuring that any person being charged in a Court is given a fair and just trial while dealing with a variety of people with a variety of views, biases, and ability to know the difference between Right and Wrong.
          One some occasions all the Candidates called for Jury duties can be unsuitable for it, while on other occasions only one or two may be declined. Just because a person is called for Jury Service doesn't mean that the system would become instantly quicker, fairer, and more efficient if they were immediately accepted as suitable, that takes time. Just consider if, by misfortune, you were in the Dock for some offence, you would, I don't doubt, would want a Jury of fair, open minded, intelligent people to be at your Trial. I have seen people who were really eager to serve on a Jury and, to my mind, would convict the Plaintiff whether he/she was guilty or not.....they did not get on the Jury. Maybe some sort of PR exercise could be carried out where successful Jurors, after a Court Case, could be given a fly on the wall look at the next batch of unhappy people being called in for Jury Service....it might just open their minds and eyes.:dunno::heehee:
          No Justice System is perfect, but it should be noted that a great number of countries have followed, to a degree, our Justice System and Jury method so there must be a benchmark in it.
           
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            Burn the witch. Sorry did I say that out loud. Interestingly witches were hanged and not burned (assuming they survived the interrogation. Only heretics were burned.

            :snorky:

            G.
             
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              The people running the courts did the best they could keeping us updated and everyone was nice as pie especially the judge. I did take a book I've been meaning to read for 4 years now to pass the time I only read a page, I am either to bloody nosy listening to everybody else or can't concentrate with the noise :dunno:.
               
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              Probably a combination of the two. That’s the main reason I can’t get into books.

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                Heretics are known to burn better and give more warmth to the watching crowd, Jack, than Witches who only lasted for a short Spell!!:dunno::heehee:
                 
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                  I've known a lot of people that have done jury duty. Although some of them were very reluctant they still did their best once they were in the court. One person that I know got himself ruled out after the start of the case. He asked to be excused because he couldn't understand the words that had more than two syllables.

                  They raised the maximum age for eligibility for jury duty a year ago and now people up to the age of 75 can be called for duty.
                   
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                    I've done jury service.

                    On the whole, I found it to be a very pleasant experience.

                    I met some very nice people in fellow jurors, court officials and even the security guards at the main entrance to the crown court.

                    My impression of the judges (I sat in two cases) were that they were very experienced and knowledgeable people, and quite attentive to juror needs.

                    Court rooms are very quiet places, to the point where you can hear a pin drop, so my advice to newbies is to eat and drink a little something before you go in and, to make sure that little something doesn't give you gas. Because, tummy rumbles and bottom burps will resound like thunder, otherwise.

                    Regarding reimbursement for travel costs, meals and lost earnings - there was atleast one criteria in the claims form for each category that I couldn't satisfy so was unable to claim. I don't begrudge the loss, I just put it down as doing a good turn for society.
                     
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                      To be honest, I have often thought that the reimbursement policy, decided by the Bean Counters of the Ministry of Justice, is not generous enough and have raised the subject quite a few times, and found that the people working in the Courts, including the Judges, think the same thing. The Clerk of the Court makes sure that the Jury is well looked after with meals, tea, coffee, etc and is always trying to put people at their ease.

                      That's usually true, mister Q, but there are times when either interested parties/families up in the Gallery can cause a ruckus if unhappy with decisions etc in the Court and have to be "quietened" down, Usually a Judge has enough strength of authority to get order by himself and then sometimes the offending people are removed from the Courts, and can even spend a few hours in a cell for "contemplation".
                       
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                        Never done it and i wouldn''t look forward to doing it as i'm not good at big words, basic words is what i will need ie: spade is a spade
                         
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                          No , a spade is a ferrous rectangular shaped implement for the manual removal of earth and other substances :biggrin:
                           
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                            Mine only gets used for projecting fox droppings over the fence and into the farmer's field. :heehee:
                             
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                              I was called for Jury Service in 2014 and spent 3 weeks in court.
                              I posted about my experience on GC at the time: Civic Duty: I've been called!
                               
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