Brexit - am I stupid or what?

I dont think at the moment the EU has to put any obstacles in the way of us leaving the EU, parliament and the House of Lords are doing a pretty good job on their own.

 

May should boot out all remainers in the cabinet,IMO
Then we would at least perhaps get a single strategy from the government.

Trouble is, May is a remainer also.

 

I only ever saw her as a half hearted remainer. She is trying to do a good job - pity she doesn`t get a bit more backing.

 

The backing exists, you just have to ask, why is she not using it?

 

Do you actually think she is doing a good job, at first I thought she might, but now I'm not so sure.
I tend to think she is the wolf in sheep's clothing. Or the sheep in wolf's clothing.

For a start she need to kick the cabinet into shape, anyone not behind leaving should be dumped or at the very least, should not have been there in the first place.

How can she expect to run things when she surrounds herself with people with different agendas.

 

Very well put @ARMANDII

 

Right OK I believe that bit, but just wonder.
If the Conservative party, headed by May, is really behind leaving the EU why dont we actually get more positive propaganda?
Why only negative propaganda?

I just dont think the government is for leaving the EU, they make the right noises now and then, but they are not totally committed.
The longer it goes on the more I become convinced they are just playing the part, and the final outcome will be, we have left, but still under the control of the EU.
In a couple of years we will be begging them to take us back, as the Deal will be so bad for the UK, not OUT but not IN either.
We will end up paying them billions but not be a member.
And it will be down to the remainers within, weakening our negotiating hand.

 

Fighting amongst themselves is getting us nowhere.
As I said earlier, the EU dont actually have to get involved.

The in- fighting that is taking place is what is is bringing a grin to the faces of the EU.
They are playing into the hands of the EU and tearing the country apart.

The referendum settled nothing, as the modern thing seems to be to disregard the outcome of a vote if you dont like the outcome.

 

A cabinet has to be comprised of the most capable people for their individual roles, not of people who agree on a single issue. This government is hamstrung not because they have different views on Brexit but because of the Machiavellian maneuvering by senior cabinet members in their own best interests as opposed to the best interests of the country. Whilst this happens in all governments to some extent or another it is the Brexit issue (from the second that the referendum was announced) that has seen this behaviour become the underlying theme of the Conservative government, Mays in particular.
It's a conundrum as a cabinet that was 100% behind May would almost certainly be 100% against Brexit.

Fairs fair - when we joined the EU in 1973 we were screwed. As a nation we had had to ask for a bail out and we were the poor man of Europe. By joining the Common Market it helped the financial markets retain a little more faith in the UK resulting in less damage in the ensuing financial crisis than we could have reasonably expected outside of the Common Market. I think that too many people whose biggest issue with the EU was the erosion of the UKs' soveriegnty fail or refuse to acknowledge the enormous financial benefit to us of our EU membership. As the "empire" shrank so did our fortunes - the Common Market/EU was an empire of co-operation as opposed to an empire of conquest and revived our fortunes. Personally, as a republican, I believe that the economy trumps tradition every time and the erosion of soveriegnty is a price worth paying, especially in the much smaller world that we live in today.

It it is well known on this forum that I was a firm remainer but the vote has happened and it is time to get on with it. Hopefully theeconomic fortunes of this country will be similar to those of Portugal and it is time to start preparing for the new reality.

All the above is in the spirit of hearty debate.