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    I'm not defending Canada in this situation but the headline does give the wrong impression when taken in context of what is happening in the U.S.

    The article makes it quite clear that, last year, virtually all the children held in detention are held together with one or both parent - 151 of them. Those that are not with a parent are actually unaccompanied children - 11 of them.

    This is another instance of what I was explaining earlier about 'slanted' news as opposed to 'fake' news. People that write banner headlines are not interested in explaining the truth. All they are interested in are catching the eye and/or deliberately giving the wrong impression. In this case CBS have, obviously, worded the banner so as to make it seem worse than it is - without actually telling any lies within the article. A clever ploy used by the media that do actually have some scruples about telling the truth.

    In the news industry the people that write banner headlines and strap lines get paid very good money. There are a number of apochryphal stories used in journalism classes that give a good example of slanted headlines. Not necessarily true but now written as jokes.

    The best known one is 'A man escapes from a lunatic asylum, runs into a launderette, attempts to rape someone and then runs away' and the strap line is 'Nut, screws, washers and bolts'.

    Another example to show the deliberate effect of not using punctuation is 'Eighth Army Push Bottles Up Germans'.

    Or the famous cricket report by Brian Johnston "The bowler's Holding, the batsman's
    Willey".
     
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        Thanks @Tetters I did a course in journalism and learnt a lot about deliberate misdirection. :blue thumb: Over the years I've studied, and been to loads of evening classes, on many different subjects (a few dozen :noidea:) and have been amazed at how interesting learning about things can be. :dbgrtmb:
         
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          I wonder, these days if any of the reporters have been to school at all. The grammar and spelling is atrocious sometimes. ''The news'' is not news at all quite often, just a whole lot of opinions from people who don`t appear to know what they`re on about.
           
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            Did you actually read the whole article - directly copied and pasted...

            " In some cases, detained asylum seekers have lived in the country without status for years. In detention, they are given the option of keeping their Canadian-born children with them or sending them to live with extended family or in the custody of provincial youth protection services. "

            Your president's lousy choice and then chest puffing now he has reversed this action and he did so because of the pressure from moral and ethical pushback, seems like shoving a kid in the pool and then wanting a medal for rescuing it.

            I think it is terrible of you @redstar, to defend your country by trying to smear another.

            And it also came out this week that you export more steel and aluminum to us than we do to you. Talk about twisted!
             
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              Not defending my country to smear another. Just showing that it happens in other countries. We have asylum seekers here also which are treated different than those that sneak into USA.
               
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              Very interesting post @shiney. it is amazing how words can be manipulated to mean different things. Who would think there is a world of a difference between smoked Scottish salmon and Scottish smoked salmon. It's almost an art form how people can massage the truth with some carefully crafted words:rolleyespink:
               
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                But it doesn't happen in my country. The only "kids" detained without parents here, are because their psrents made that choice or they are unaccompanied and most likely victims of sex slave trade. Something which has been a problem in every country.

                You did your best to post "fake"news and unfortunately you don't seem to regret that error in judgement. I feel sorry for you. And I feel sorry for most Americans. I had been advised by many people in the travel industry to be sure to wear something to identify myself as a Canadian because our accents are fairly similar. They had my best interests at heart and didn't want me to be mistaken for an American and perhaps treated differently. I am so glad I got this advice because the minute people knew I'm a Canuck, the smiles appeared and genuine expressions of welcome followed. Sad. Really sad that I needed to clarify from what North American country I am native. The changes were fairly subtle but defintely made an impression.

                I don't think DT is helping the US image much.
                 
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                  So I posted "fake news" about Canada. Ok, wonder how many news releases of USA are believed that are also "fake".
                   
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                  But I did not post them here. Mega media did the nasty work. I did not post any fake news links. You did. I suggest you fully investigate, or at least read the entire article before posting sensational headlines. It is poor manners to point. Particularly when one is doing it to ridicule on false grounds.

                  There are a lot of things said about Trump that I don't believe for one moment and I took the time to investigate a little and dismiss them. I'm sure somewhere someone has said that he eats babies for lunch and we all know that is silly. But most of us don't repeat it. All but a very few it seems...
                   
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                    A good post @CanadianLori :blue thumb:

                    I try not to get directly involved in these discussions and also not to emphasise my viewpoint on the topic, but I do try to point out when there is obvious 'reporting' of fake news, incomplete news, slanted news or total misdirection.

                    The trouble with just posting quotes or clippings is that it tends to give the impression that the items posted are true to the headings when we all know that banner headlines rarely contain even a modicum of truth. Proper investigation of what is implied by these articles is necessary before propounding them as gospel!

                    'News' items rarely contain a lot of truth as the need to get it out there before the opposition does so is paramount in the, now, world of fast media. That's why I don't have anything to do with Facebook, Twitter etc. There is too much emphasis on 'getting it out there' without applying some control over what you do. My first reaction to most items in the news or on media is 'don't believe it until researched properly'.

                    The modern trend to accept what is printed or, more importantly, posted on the net or what comes in through email is the major cause of people being scammed and losing a lot of money. I still do some work with people who have been scammed and it sometimes makes me really sad that people actually accept what, at times, is an obvious trick. Sorry, this paragraph is a bit off topic. :noidea:
                     
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                      This is where I find social media so aggravating. It's so fast to spread stories and rumours that just have no substance other than create disquiet and anger. There's little repercussion and the damage is done so quickly and people move to the next sensationalist headline
                       
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                        That's quite sad really. I'm aware of a case where a child was deliberately abandoned on a motorway - in the knowledge that they would be picked up and cared for by the local Council. The child in question couldn't understand English - how desperate must a parent be to risk their child on a busy road in the hope that they would be picked up by the Council?

                        This does go on - I've seen it happen - yet austerity continues.
                         
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                          This wasn't about child abandonment, it was about how various immigration authorities deal with detention. :)

                          But you are right, it is sad. I knew a fellow whose mother left him and his little brother at a busy street corner in downtown Toronto. They were only 3 and 4 at the time. I don't believe the feeling of "not being wanted" ever left him. Even to his death bed. :sad:
                           
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