Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Tusk: May's Brexit plan won't work
We know it won't work. They know it won't work and presumably even somewhere in that skull of hers even the PM knows too but she's blithely pressing ahead irrespective and pretending its all going to be ok... Think this whole Brexit balls up has turned what was previously a reasonable person into a shambolic fruitcake. Fingers in ears...lalala...

 

As a matter of interest can anyone suggest a way to avoid new checks at the Irish border? Without some form of infrastructure I don't see how it can be done

 

Yep, and cease all payments to the EU with immediate effect, not least as the UK has investments in the EU that it won't get back without jumping through various hoops and waiting for years.
Time to tell them to shove it where the sun doesn't shine, and start trading more with the US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the rest of the world. Oh, and whilst we are at it, lets ban the import of German and French cars, that should wake them up a bit.

 

I don't think "they" want a no deal Brexit, but you're right if that is truly what they want then that's it They've been hostile from the word go and they're also used to browbeating, bullying, and finally getting their own way, which could lead to a no deal scenario. But "they" know that such an ending would be as damaging to them as it would be to us. Donald Tusk stated today that the October Summit would be the moment of truth but now there are hints that there could be a November, December or January Summit to keep negotiating. To be honest, I just want us to leave in March and then we can sort things out for ourselves. People have, throughout the "negotiations, been asking and moaning about there being no idea of what the final deal would be, that has always seemed pretty idiotic since nobody will know until the very last moment but they still keep asking the question.

 

The overwhelming feeling i get of the UK negotiations has been weak and feeble at the very best.

 

And that's one of the problems, pete, neither you or I have any conception of what has gone on in the negotiations, most of which May hasn't taken part in having to leave it to the UK team. But, in truth, nobody in the UK public has ever got behind May or the team negotiating. We've all been quick to criticise May no matter what, we've never backed her or supported her. Have we criticised the EU and the way they have negotiated in such a hostile manner?, i don't think so.
i think that we, the UK public, have been more of an aid to the EU than we have been to May because of our British trait on doing ourselves and our Leaders down and actually getting some sort of satisfaction by it. If we had used that negativeness and criticism on the EU it might have helped instead of undermining the very people who needed, and still do, our support.

 

To be fair @longk, there is a lot more to the Brexit balls-up than that - if our elected elite hadn't spent the best part of 18-months busying themselves with taking pot-shots at each other and otherwise generally embarrassing themselves, they would have had more time to plan and thrash out a better deal. The whole thing was going to be hard enough without it being deliberately bodged by people who weren't happy with the result - - bluntly, it is as though they have taken the attitude "sod you lot then, we are going to show you just how rough this can be" and made such a sufficient mess of the job that it will stuff the vast majority of people up. Of course, they don't give two hoots as they are all rolling in it, and almost certainly in line to be given a peerage.

Let's not forget who started all of this - Mr Cameron. He asked a question, and then the propaganda machines on either side went into overdrive, with both sides spouting various shades of shhhhhh.....rubbish; and therein lies the very heart of the problem - - for years and years politicians of all colours have been lying through their teeth, promising x y and z and never delivering it, taking more and more money from taxpayers whilst cutting more and more services, oh and let's not forget that they also created a housing crisis......... so when they asked a rather stupid question, and gave people an opportunity to 'stick it to them', well they got what they had been asking for in my humble opinion.

As if to cement what a right bunch of useless idiots they really are, whilst all of this has been going on, we've had the Boris Johnson debacles, and of course Jeremy Corbyn and the anti-Semitism arguments to name but a few. Personally, I would not trust any of them to run a bath, let alone a country. Guy Fawkes may well have been onto something