Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Another referendum? It's no different to Labour demanding another general election because they didn't get enough votes.

If we do have another referendum - I can tell you now, I'll be sending a stiff letter to my MP.

 

You know, I still get the feeling we will be contributing, whatever happens.

 

Well that will give him a laugh.
He's in it for the party, not the electorate.

 

I'll send it by recorded delivery - that will make him sit up and take notice.

 

I just dont think our bunch have the balls.

 

It has always been clear that if we agreed to retain Schengen and the EU court jurisdiction (over matters concerning financial legislation) then the FSP would remain in place.

The EU is as democratic as any democratic system can ever be. The various institutions are;

• European Parliament - elected by the public
• European Council - the heads of the member states
• European Commission - one member per state. Those that operate underneath them have no executive powers, they are effectively Europes Whitehall
• European Bank - made up of the national banks of the Euro zone. As with all large state financial institutions its effect may be felt outside of its immediate area of authority in much the same way as the decisions of the Federal Reserve in the US affects world markets.
• Council of the EU - made up of one minister from each member state (these can change from session to session). Basically the EU version of the House of Lords, the only difference being that ministers are elected in their own countries!
• The EU court - best till last! Like our high court but frequently wackier! I tend to agree that this one needs a kick up the butt!!!

What comes from Europe is agreed (and formulated) by our elected government. IO think that people lose sight of the aims of the EU, both today and in all its previous incarnations, namely "make war unthinkable and materially impossible". It was as recent as the nineties that there was civil war and ethnic cleansing on "our" doorstep and this is one of the reasons that I believe that the EU is important. In line with its stated aims of promoting fairness and cooperation I believe that accepting former Iron Bloc countries is by and large a good thing even if it does cost us money. Turkey is a grey area (and one that I'm not really sold on) but it does have to be remembered that they are a moderately important voice in the middle east.
So all this talk of being undemocratic just smacks of Dail Wail and Jeremy Vine ballcocks. Just my thoughts on the matter.

You and FC in one reply Duh

Yes, I agree but the only poor behaviour in Westminster that impacts on the Brexit negotiations is governmental disharmony, infighting and plain old backstabbing. This government isn't rudderless, the problem is that there are several hands on the tiller fighting to control that rudder.

 

Dont put me in that bunch, we never had a say apart from in /out in the ref.
After that it was all down to those that know better

 

AND?
We can all do that, but what does it mean???

 

I thought we weren't in the Schengen zone - at least that what Cammers said to the Beeb?

But then..was this Fake News?

 

As I say it is not undemocratic it is just Dail Wail and Jeremy Vine ballcocks spouted to the masses by the Brexit campaigners. We may not agree with it (the EU) and its decisions but it is democratic. Equally, voting to leave was democratic which is why, although I disagree, the vote has to be respected.