Brexit - am I stupid or what?

A chainsaw will be no good, Shiney, but this guy has done it and even got into a Book for doing it so maybe he might help out............

 

Well, nobody did The referendum asked did we want to leave the EU or Stay and we voted to leave not whether or not there should be a hard or sort Irish Border. The issue of the Irish Border has only been brought into the spotlight by the EU to complicate and drive the UK into contemplating stay in the Customs Union without any real ability to get out of it. They're trying to use the Irish Border to divide the UK knowing full well that the Northern Irish don't want to be separated from the UK by a EU constructed border. To be honest, I'm starting to suspect that it will come down to a Hard BREXIT as May's plan will not be accepted by Parliament and, in fact, I can't see any deal being passed due to the increasingly intransigent nature of the EU negotiators trying to cause even more chaos and division in the hope that the Remainers Hands will be strengthened and we will have another Referendum and decide to stay in the EU.

 

Borders are all man made, pete, and are all a state of mind. Borders are changed willy nilly after wars and we, in the UK, have changed more Countries borders over the Centuries than anyone else. Politicians have used borders for their own use and agenda and of course that is exactly what the EU is doing now.

 

Agreed, pete. We seem to have lost touch with the actual questions of the Referendum due to the EU and it's UK supporters muddying the waters with great success. Most people voted to get out of the EU either because of immigration problems, the constant meddling and increasing control over our own country's Sovereign political, legal and economical decisions, or the belief that the UK would fare much better setting their own unresticted trade agreements, or paying Billions a year to an organisation in which we were treated as an "awkward" member asking questions of the unelected EU bureaucrats that they don't want asked while also not being allowed to attend the EU's economic and financial meetings because we kept the Sterling as our currency. If we had taken the Euro we would not have been able to hold a referendum as we would have been held to ransom as are Italy, Portugal, Greece, and Spain, etc, because the EU holds the Purse Strings and would be deciding our country's budget.

 

My point is, longk, that you, I, pete, or any other member of the British public went into the Voting Booth thinking "Oh, I must when I vote take into account the Irish border", I doubt if a great number of the Northern Irish man/woman on the street thought of that either, it was obviously on the Irish Government's mind but not such an issue with the Northern Ireland Assembly who's main desire to stay within the borders of the UK.. It was not a greatly debated subject before the Referendum in the Media or on the street at the time of the referendum..

 

Well, it already has a border But the EU wants to obstruct BREXIT by increasing the customs restrictions and making countries change their trading standards. As I said borders are a state of mind and can be used and abused by those interested in doing so.

 

My money is on February

 

For an agreement that will get past Parliament???

 

Nah, the next referendum that has been planned since the week after the last one.