Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Similar thoughts Pete. I'm quite handy with carpentry, plumbing and electrics. Cables for instance. 13amp twin & earth used to be called. 6029 now metric its 2.5 mil. Timber 2.4 mts etc. Strange really, as metric is all about units of 10 yet we who grew up with imperial weights & measures find it difficult. Temperature scales confuse me. One time. It's going to be 75 degrees tomorrow. Now you have to calculate the difference. Body temp; used to be,98.4 F Now its 36. whatever.

Stop the world. I wanna get off!!!

 

Last vtime I bought a round, was when I was getting married (1961) I think it was washing-up water, 5 shekels a measure. wink.

 

Years ago at London Zoo. Every afternoon tey would lay on, the Chimps tea party for the kids. Even though I hold no politics, I often watch today in parliament or PM's question time. Ye Gods. The chimps tea party was great entertainment. PM's question time etc. Really. Honestly. Shout and booing etc. Hey hang on. Were not all these people elected by the man in the street, to form some kind of government, ruling power. Talk about St. Trinians.

Not taking sides, but attempting to reason. Mrs. May was duly elected by her local followers. She later was made PM. I seem to remember that when all this exit the EU started, and the whole popula was invited to vote. Mrs. May voted to stay in the EU. So be it. Her actions have long proved her loyalty to the country and her political party. She has without question, striven to negotiate and get the best deal, as it's called, for the UK. As I recall. At the outset of forming this EU alliance. Was it not to aid and assist european nations to form a kind of bond, whereby participating members could trade side by side as if in a market place. You are offering your spuds at £5.65 per cwt. So to compete. My rice is £5.00 a cwt. Gradually the bulk of the EU gradually introduced all new things. The Common Market soon became. The Eurpean seat of government. Suddenly member countries found themselves handing over their country's powers and legal administrative systoms and ways of running their way of life.

IMHO. The only real benefit of the EU has been. There has been no european war since 1945. I have no idea what the populations of other countries have been fed. However for us Brits. I deduce that consecutive governments have so often witheld the true facts from the british people. Now. "Time has been called". The PM could be anyone. Now the hue and cry goes out. Like a renactment of Juleus Ceasar, the friends, supportres are rising up. Daggers drawn. The parlimentary critics, Mrs May's friends now cry out for her blood. So look back over british history. This same identical scene has been played out so often, not only with parliamnr but also with royalty. If you get rid of the present. What can you offer as a an alternative.

 

I think it was always going to be a no deal from the start but they had to put a cock and bull story up first, people didn't like what is said or read then it makes it easyer to go for a no deal

 

Do you remember Remainers stating that most of those voting leave were so old they'd be dead in a few years so their votes shouldn't count?

Well, I've noticed that adverts for funeral plans appearing on almost every article about Brexit in the Daily Express (a hotbed of 'Kippers):

 

It is at best misguided to blame the EU. Take off the rose tinted specs and Britain has always been a divided nation as are all other nations to one extent or another. What Brexit has achieved is to make it an increasingly bitterly divided nation.
Unelected bureaucrats do not foist laws upon the member states, it is only elected officials (either directly elected or ministers of national governments appointed by their democratically elected government to represent their country). This is Farage-speak which is another word for a lie that is peddled around until it becomes an assumed truth. Laws are debated in the various houses of the EU, ammended, debated again and passed on in much the same way that our own Houses work.
At the end of the day I'm not saying that it was perfect but in all fairness it is probably fairer than the accepted norm, instead of first past the post type voting votes representing 65% of the population are needed for a pass with one proviso - a total of four countries with a total between them of 35% of the population must be against. Size matters in the EU so as the third largest country in terms of the population (and only just behind France) our vote counts for more than just one twenty eighth.

We haven't . JRM and Boris in particular, but a few others who also have there eyes on the prize have. For them Brexit has nothing to do with what is best for the UK it is all about what is best for their careers. Nothing else. For a handful of Machiavellian characters Brexit always was nothing more than a power grab.
JRM will be the next Prime Minister. He has known all along that Brexit will be a disaster but he has seen his opportunity and manipulated it, circumstances and high profile figures (mainly Boris) in his best interests. Safe in the knowledge that it was always doomed to failure he can assume the top job, lose the next election but keep his job by pointing out that it was May who ballsed it up and then fight the election after that on the basis that it was the Labour party who ballsed it up.

 

It’s a good walk?

 

@Fat Controller - whilst I largely agree I also don't
We are lucky enough to live in a democracy where free speech is a right - if we are to moan we are also duty bound to vote, even if it is the box that says "none of the above".
There are genuine politicians out there, not all are in the image of JRM (and i do agree, god help us all). But at the moment their voices are too small, it is up to the voters to provide them with a bigger voice.
Our society has many problems at the moment and housing and its affordability is one of the biggest. It is simple to fix - every person has a lifetime inheritence and gift allowance. £30000 total would be about right. Anything over that thirty grand gets taxed at 90%, anything under at 0%. In one fell swoop the housing market gets an instant reality check. It'll never happen though.

 

Then with the greatest respect either;

• you are lucky enough to only ever associate with people who hold the same views, principles, had the same good luck, had the same opportunities etc
• or, you need to get out more often

Since Brexit, even people who felt the same now find themselves divided into camps within those divides. Worst of all, people who secretly harboured views on race now feel emboldened to publicly voice them, sometimes even shout them.

 

Enjoy

 

The housing market, what a bloody minefield that is.

Anyone who dares to lower the price of housing in this country is walking on eggshells.

We had a housing slump a few years ago.

Negative equity and all that, no one wants the price of the house they are living in to fall, sad but that is the truth.

As for the old chestnut of, build more houses and the price will come down, biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard, its just property developers speak for, lets rip up every bit of countryside we can, for profit.

All the time houses are looked upon as investment, in this country, rather than somewhere to live, no one will get a pat on the back for bringing down house prices.

Personally I think houses are over priced, but dont see any way out of it.

ps, if you bring in your 30 grand max inheritance most people would go for equity release well before they die, and there would be an awful lot of skint nursing homes out there.