Brexit - am I stupid or what?

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  1. ARMANDII

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    Who????:scratch::dunno::heehee:
     
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      I don't understand this, because my reply was not directed at FC. I am sorry to hear about the near death illness, which by the way I didn't know about, having lost a close member of my own family this year and narrowly avoided losing my mother I have some appreciation of what this must be like.[/QUOTE]

      Do not fret dear friend - I am alive, I am here, and I have wonderful family and friends - as our very own @wiseowl would say, every day is a bonus! Yes, I have had a year from hell - BUT, since coming out of hospital, I have time and time again exceeded the expectations of the medical staff, and there are a number of friends on this very forum and this very thread that have helped me in so many ways.

      If anything, my attitude to things like this changed significantly - - - I realised that all of this Brexit nonsense, all of the politics and shite that you get in the workplace, all of the pressures that we get in daily life................ it is all a big game; none of it really matters when it comes down to it. What matters is the people - the people around you.
       
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        Amen to that, my friend.:thumbsup::snorky:
         
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          It's a shame our politicians don't think the same way!
           
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            You mean they don't, Sheal???:dunno::hate-shocked::doh::heehee:
             
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              I was just thinking, if only we could send this entire thread to Teresa May and every politician that is part of our government. They might actually take on board how the people of GREAT Britain actually feel.
               
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                Look at the flag on the vehicle.....not the French flag but the euro flag. Of course it may well be photoshoped but it might not be?
                Most media either lie,photo shop or have an agenda they are following so most news is just propaganda nowadays.
                Im just waiting for an agent provocateur to do something that will give the security forces the go ahead to start cracking heads open. And of course the media will lap it up blindly as normal.
                The european army is coming. Merkel was talking about it at the Cdu conferance. Mini merkel the newly elected Cdu leader was talking about it. Who runs europe ? Germany. If Germany wants a new european army germany gets a new european army.
                This is probably the real reason why Britain was denied access to the Galileo project despite us putting in more than a billion pounds to help create it. Britain wont be part of this new army.
                 
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                  It's an image, not a video in the earlier post, but there's footage of 'armoured' (riot control?) vehicles bearing the EU flag on youtube. Are they French plates/markings? They have "HERMES" not "GENDARMES" on their sides (so could be delivering stuff).




                  P.S. It was widely reported earlier this year that British soldiers in Bosnia wore EU flag shoulder patches https://wikivisually.com/wiki/European_Union_Military_Operation_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

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                  Just to clarify a couple of points...The gilets jaunes (the genuine ones) are protesting about Macron's attempts to reform France, not about the EU. His 'reforms' consist of juggling and increasing existing taxes. The extremely poor and the super rich will benefit, everyone else will feel the pinch. The protests in Paris (and possibly other large cities) have been hijacked by the usual troublemakers, which provides tasty fodder for the media. I can vouch for the fact that in most of France, the protests have been good-humoured, peaceful but firm and committed. It has been an opportunity for some to air their general grievances re. the EU or anything else, but basically they are ordinary people who've had enough of being milked.
                   
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                    As with all the media they try to point up the extremes. I agree that the riots get hijacked by the trouble makers and that the current troubles are unrelated to an EU protest. This latest one, apparently, was about the increase in fuel duty. Macron, backed down partially and said it would be postponed for six months (I think) and, when the protests went on, has now cancelled the increase.

                    Over the decades it has seemed to me that the French way of protesting what they consider are iniquitous impositions are to, quickly, get out on the streets and be very vociferous about it. This may show the difference between the volatility of the peoples of different countries. The police reaction also appears to be much greater than we have over here. They're French! :dunno: :snorky:
                     
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                      I just wanted to ask you about your own blanket terminology, when you talk about having "bothered to vote", which implies that those who did not were lazy. I too voted, but often wish I hadn't, and know of several people who abstained for reasons of principle. [/QUOTE]That's a fair comment. Given that many people are disillusioned and sceptical about both mainstream media and politicians, it was not an easy decision to make. The fact remains that the vote was pretty much split on a proportion of the UK population, which is why I find the term ' Will of the people' unfortunate. Had I still been a UK resident, I would have had trouble deciding, too. As it was, I consider myself lucky to still have a vote at all. Brits who live elsewhere are disenfranchised after 15 years, despite the fact that decisions taken in their country of birth could and do still affect them.
                       
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                        Thank you @noisette47 for giving us the truth as to what is happening in France - as you know, we can only go on what the media show us, so it is good to hear from a real close-up perspective; what is not good, is that you are so close to the events taking place and I sincerely hope that you are and remain safe.

                        I find the last part of your last sentence the most interesting of all 'but basically they are ordinary people who've had enough of being milked' - when it boils down to it, I think that this is the root of the majority of what we are seeing happening now, including Brexit. I swayed back and forth a number of times on the lead up to the vote, and when the result came in the following morning, it was very much a 'wow' moment for me. The subsequent behaviour from the EU politicians, overtly, has reaffirmed to me that I made the right choice. What worries me is that our UK politicians have made a complete hash of the whole thing, spent far too long arguing amongst themselves before starting negotiations with the EU, and then have not been robust enough with the EU.
                         
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                          It's always a shame when ordinary, law abiding folk have their riots hijacked by trouble makers.
                           
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