Brexit -am I stupid or what

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Britain was on it's knees! Since joining British GDP in terms of growth has outdone Germany, France and the US.

There seems to be something of an epidemic of that amongst high profile Tories over the last couple of years

It is actually the other way around - the EU cannot accept any land border in Ireland. Of course, that gives the DUP the cobby hump and so it goes on!

Strangely, back in 2011 when it suited him Jacob Rees-Mogg was actually advocating a two referendum vote. One before the renegotiation (of the UK agreement with the EU) and a second after the renegotiation!

Actually it is 'only' 45% of our eggs in one basket! 45% shared amongst 27 countries the other 55% shared amongst the remaining 165 countries.

That is bad news. Good luck with the surgery and any further treatment.

 

For my part, I’m an inclusionist, I’m weird like that. That means embracing all aspects. It seems to me that in this thread at least, this is something that is sadly lacking. One would think that on a forum of shared interest, that a spirit of compromise would prevail. It seems not, if this thread is anything to go by. I think my days here are numbered...

 

Freddy. Many thanks for your best wishes.

Now STOP IT! You are a very valid member on here. Don't talk daft.

 

What stuff?

Bread, toilet rolls, medicines, Glyphosphate?


P.S. Are the EU stockpiling fish?

And it seems Ireland might need to start stockpiling all sorts of stuff

 

I reckon it'll be a full house, PM resignation/leadership battle, General Election(s) resulting in no overall majority and another Referendum(s?), but I haven't a clue whether the UK will actually leave EU.

 

@Fat Controller maybe this would also be the response from many of The Lords to your proposalwww.theguardian.com/politics/video/2018/nov/27/lady-trumpington-gives-v-sign-to-fellow-peer-archive-video

 

Yeah that was the thing Churchill used to do, poor old sod got it round the wrong way.

 

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Strangely, back in 2011 when it suited him Jacob Rees-Mogg was actually advocating a two referendum vote. One before the renegotiation (of the UK agreement with the EU) and a second after the renegotiation!
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Sounds fair. And Farage argued publicly that if the vote was 52/48 in favour of Remain, a second ref should be scheduled. As will be whichever side loses the almost inevitable next ref. I hate to describe it in terms of "sides" and winning and losing, but that's how it has now come to feel, like a volatile sport. There is a predictability about it all - if Remain wins next time around, it will be hard-line Leavers calling for a "People's Vote," and Remainers saying this would be undemocratic, too divisive, etc. It is rare I take the part of Nigel Farage but I must acknowledge he made a good point in a podcast with Nick Clegg some months back, that his lot had to wait 40 years for their second ref, and he thought we should at least implement the result and give it 5 to 10 years before another round. On the other hand what we would presumably be voting on is not a re-run of 2016, but Theresa May's deal vs the status quo.

If both sides just admitted that this is ultimately politics and their essential aim is to win, it would all become much clearer. We have to take into account that each generation will include people with different views, and views will change. We should also acknowledge that both Euroscepticism and pro-EU attitudes are valid, and both should be given a fair outing. Some people accuse the Lib Dems of being undemocratic because they support a second vote, but as the EU has always been central to their political philosophy it would be absurd to expect them to just junk that idea, just as it would be to expect Ukip to become pro-EU.

 

Tell us what your preferred outcome is Freddy, I'll listen, might not agree, but we all have our say.
Dont let the "he who shouts loudest" put you off, we all have valid points to make.
I just write what I think.