Brexit -am I stupid or what

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  1. Loofah

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    Why suddenly accede the deal that was so awful and unpalatable before? The deal hasn't changed, it's just that people have been beaten down, which is no reason to accept any particular deal. My opinion is that we exit on no deal then pick up the pieces with a new leadership
     
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      I saw a bit from Brussels last night, not sure think it was on the news.
      He said we can cancel brexit ,accept the deal, or go for no deal.

      Which brings me back to the point of what do the idiots think they are doing? Any thing other than those options are pie in the sky to Brussels.
      So I think they should from now on only be able to vote on those three options. Anything else is imaginary and only in their tiny minds.
       
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        Yep! It's all madness now
         
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          Its like something out of the Muppets.
           
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            This has all been a long drawn out mess that has been deliberate. The establishment had no intension of abiding by the democratic wish of the people.
            By drawing this out they have deliberately tried to anger,bore,lie to, and deceive the public. They want us to give up and just accept staying in Europe.

            The British government will never be able to interfere in another countrys affairs and lecture them about ignoring the wishes of the people,respecting the result of an election etc etc.

            One final thing. A warning. Democratic votes that have been ignored in the past around the world have resulted in violence and civil wars.
             
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              Well I don't mind saying after the PM's latest statement I'm utterly and completely disgusted.
              Awwww lets have a nice soft brexit/ AKA still be ruled by the EU....BLOODY LIVID I AM...:gaah:
               
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                Me an all!
                BBC News - Brexit: Theresa May to ask EU for further extension
                May to ask EU for Brexit extension

                Just WTF? My only hope is that the EU put this government out of our misery. And she's still insisting on her deal!
                 
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                  I said many months ago, I believe on this very thread, that they have all been putting on a great big act right from the start, to allow them to get to the point where they can shrug their shoulders, call the second referendum that they have always wanted and send us back to the polls to give them the 'correct' answer.

                  What should happen now is very simple - we should leave on the 12th without any deal, making it clear to the EU that we are of course willing to strike a deal with them, and that we will pay any monies that we owe in terms of debts that we have accrued up to the point where we leave, but NOT for any future projects that the EU has committed to, and then get on with life. We don't put up any barriers to trade with them, unless of course they do the same to us - and if any fishing boats from France etc stray into our waters, they are seized with the crew transported safely back to their home country, forfeiting their boat entirely.
                   
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                    It is a bit late to worry about all that. It all went months ago.

                    I am a little sick of hearing that phrase. The correct phrase is "democratic wish of of a small majority the people". Quoted the way that it usually is indicates that it was a landslide result when it was far from such a result.

                    Not possible under WTO rules. If we do offer the EU tariif free trade outside of a formal deal then we have to give all WTO members the same deal and they do not have to reciprocate. The only way that we can go tariff free is with a negotiated trade deal, no other way and categorically not without a deal.
                     
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                      The only point I'd like to make regarding that is that it is more of a majority than most parties win a general election on.
                      A two horse race I admit, where as general elections are not, but what is the point of having a referendum if you dont go along with the majority vote?

                      We certainly dont appear to be going with that in this case, more of a fudged chaotic mess that suits neither side.
                       
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                        Eight of the twenty elections since 1945 have been won by a smaller majority in terms of percentage of the vote (as opposed to seats won). Three elections have been won by 10% or more and the other nine are in the 4 to 10% range.
                         
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                          Ahh statistics and percentages.
                          when was the last time more than 50% of voters voted for one party.
                           
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                            First past the post is the way every election is run here, rightly or wrong.

                            Brexit won,remainers lost,end of. I didnt vote conservative in the last election but respected the result.
                            The tories won with only 42% on a turnout of 69% with a 47 million electorate.

                            The Scots were told to respect the referendum result when the loosers got 45% of the vote. Thats only 3% less than the remainers got yet the remainers think their vote as loosers is more important than those 52% who won Brexit.
                             
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                              Interesting terminology, WeeTam 'Losers, winners'....do you truly believe that Brexit (in whatever form it eventually takes) will result in a better Britain? I wish that I could believe it.....
                               
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