Brexit -am I stupid or what

It's not uncomfortable reading but it is only his opinion. From my view, I saw only one side putting together a campaign and the other side resting on its laurels expecting victory which is arrogant and stupid. They were able to probe campaign monies, counter arguments and put together just as an effective campaign as the Brexiteers but they didn't so there is no point whining now about lies just you were let down by people leading the country. They're politicians so to accept at face value what they were saying was folly.
Every single scenario from that point forward has been fraught with high risk and pitfalls, it was inevitable and unavoidable and with all of Parliament having a say then how can all the warring parties possibly have consensus? It's why there's a government - to lead and make these decisions. I haven't seen effective leadership or negotiation but I'm not involved so maybe, just maybe, the UK team has got the best it ever could have in a deal widely accepted as poor and non-negotiable. So that doesn't really leave much option now for whoever takes the reins for PM.
I have come to think that there's a good case for a new referendum, not because of the 'they lied to me!' cries but because the process and the results have shown, very clearly, that our system, our chosen methodology is utterly deficient in resolving the UK's exit from the EU.

 

I'm still keeping out of the political side of this interesting discussion

There has been a proposal put forward, tentatively, that residents within the Zone may have some sort of exemption for existing cars.

You were lucky, when I was a lad we had the London Peasouper of 1952!

There will never be sufficient money to run the NHS the way we would all wish. I remember when the NHS was in its infancy and it didn't have all that much to cope with. With advancements in medical science we are finding more cures and more ways of keeping people alive with the resultant massive increase in the cost of doing so. I can only see this situation expending.

There have been suggestions very recently that the funding of elderly social care, instead of increasing tax/NIC, be funded more by the people that own their own property/house and to do so by either a higher taxation on owning property or by offsetting the cost of the care by a charge on the property when the person dies. It sounds good at first but doesn't really solve the problem. That's only a patch that will come back to roost. A lot of youngsters today have very little chance of owning their own house (unless things change drastically) but a fair amount of them do get a chance if they can get the deposit from their parents that own houses or from inheriting. A lot of those youngsters will also lose out as the government would be taking that money instead. So that solution solves nothing except in the very short term.

I have a more unsavoury idea. From the same period As Logan's Run - Soylent Green!

 

It really does and it's a poison to this country. The faster they end it the better.

 

Firing squad?

 

No, that is not what I am saying at all, but clearly you have chosen to read between whatever lines you see to make it fit (which seems to happen quite a lot at the moment). Nor was I inferring that all the reasons that people who have voted the way they have are directly attributable to the EU - some are, some aren't, but they all add up to make people feel the way they are which in turn (I believe) has influenced the way that they vote.

The gent I am referring to is not losing out on a 'big diesel' - it is an estate car, not a lot bigger than a Ford Focus. It was purchased at the time when diesels were being pushed as being environmentally friendly due to their frugal fuel consumption. It is simply because that car is of a certain age it is now instantly vilified and subject to the new tax because he lives within the ULEZ. It is all well and good saying 'tough luck pal' but can you not see how that would perhaps cheese him off? As for the environmental argument, a lot of that is utter garbage as well, but that is a whole different thread.

And yes, the EU are not responsible for the NHS problems - as I said above, it merely adds to the feelings that people have when they come to vote.

As far as I am concerned, one of the most important things that can come out of this whole sorry mess is a complete reform of our political processes, including the vast majority of the current load of MP's ending up out of a job.

 

It's... so... dull...

UK has royally screwed themselves and the MP's are just an unbelievable frickin mess. If it wasn't affecting industry, people's lives and my kids future so much I might even cast a rueful snigger, but it is so I'm just so pissed off about it.