Brexit -am I stupid or what

Hi Sheal, I'm not sure about that Greece and Italy are deep in debt to the EU which is how the EU has kept them in the EU by threatening them with financial penalties that would have ruined them. The EU doesn't want to lose control of it's members and uses the Euro to keep them obedient. The UK has always been regarded as the rebel and black sheep in the EU mainly due to the fact that we didn't give up Sterling and take the Euro as our currency, which meant that they couldn't put their heel on our necks as they can other EU members. Greece now has a newly elected Nationalist and pro EU Government while Italy has a anti EU Government which is defying the EU by spending more that the EU will authorise them to. The EU is threatening Italy with financial sanctions and penalties if it doesn't fall into line but Italy is trying to ignore them. I don't like the idea of a non elected group of Bureaucrats wanting to create a Federation of survile members telling democratically elected Governments what to do. The EU does not want any country to leave their control and grip and so has blocked the UK's attempts to leaving the EU under a fair deal thereby showing the rest of the EU what will happen to them should they dare to think of leaving.

 

Hi Mike, that is my point and question. We have had over two and a half years, two extensions of Article 50 with no one in the UK or the EU agreeing to a deal fair to both sides. The EU has demanded deliberately restrictive conditions on the UK's knowing full well that it would cause chaos politically, so the UK is now in a complete political disarray unable to agree to any deal. and that suits the EU fine as they would like the UK to disavow Article 50. What is the polint of another extension if the EU refuses to negotiate another deal, scrap the Back Stop clause which was demanded and used a barrier to the UK Government getting Parliament to agree to any deal.

Well, they certainly don't want to lose our financial contribution, that's true. But our value as a customer is easily solved by agreeing to a fair deal and placing no extra taxes on trade or goods. Don't forget the unelected EU officials want to create a Federation which has total political and financial power over it's members where countries lose their national identity
.whereas, at the moment, the EU makes the political andf financial decisions and puts it forward to "approval" to members still trying to retain their national identity while under a continuing flood of EU legislation aimed to expanding EU control over members.

 

Hi Sheal, well, the UK retained it's financial independence at that time by retaining the Sterling as I mentioned and it was all about trade and nothing else when we joined. The EU mutated into a political animal and gradually grew into a bureaucratic monster where it became more powerful than it's members serving it's desire tp turn into a all controlling Federation. We've always been regarded as the awkward rebel who had no interest in a Federation and just wanted to trade. The British had a global empire and, like other empires, it crumbled after a period. The EU wants to create a Empire/Federation with complete control over Europe and having it's own army created and drawn from it's members..........History really does repeat itself and mankind does not appear to learn.

 

Johnson then. I wonder how far the EU will let him embarrass himself.

 

Probably, Loofah, no more than all the MP's, in all of the Parties, have embarrassed themselves, and ignored results of the first referendum, over the last 2 and half years. Perhaps what we need is do is start backing our UK leaders when they'e negotiating leaving the EU instead of us all giving the EU's positition an even highers status, by our MP'S making the UK a laughing stock, while the UK media and public carries on, as it has done for decades, undermining Leaders and governments of any political colour. I'm no fan of Boris, but the UK is in deep mire, politically, with the EU and certain countries that are convinced that they will be able to treat us as weak, mindless puppets who they can get to revoke Article 50, give up Sterling which has kept out us, for the most, out of the financial control of an undemocratic organisation that wants the UK to disappear into a subservient source of income.
As I said, I'm no fan of Boris, but imidst all the politcal chaos, the inability of all parties to recognise that, because they are pursuing the protection of their own careers and agendas, they have failed the country by locking Parliament into a state of being unable to agree to any deal that could be negotiated by any leader of any party, of any colour.
We can, and have done for generations, mocked, derided, undermined, denigrated, all our Prime Ministers, and while we continue to do so all we are doing, in this case,is helping the EU whose biggest aid is the apathy and cynicism of the media and public making the EU believe that we are the weak nation that they want us to be
I hate to say this, but looking at the situation in Parlament and our MP's stabbing each other in the back, one counrtrry in the UK whose extremist government wants to leave the UK, then despite what has happened, and is happening, the old saying "cometh the hour, cometh the man" is sitting in the shadows of my mind.

 

Good afternoon yes we have always been our own worst enemies