Brexit -am I stupid or what

I see your point @ARMANDII .

...but as I’ve been saying for years (has it already been that long since the pre-Referendum debates?) the EU is still, first and foremost, a trade body. So EU borders are trade borders, customs borders. This is the only way to make sure that rules for example animal welfare can be maintained. So there will need to be customs checks, unless the same standards/rules/product descriptions are upheld. Hence the backstop...

To be honest, I wonder if you loose sleep most nights, wondering if you are about to loose your home? Your business? Your savings? Sorry, during the day I try not to think too much about it - I have to keep functioning, and tears don’t help. I’ll keep quiet...

 

Well, I am! My right to live here is as an EU citizen. My right to own a property here is as an EU citizen. My right to run a business here is as an EU citizen.... There are over a million people in the same position as me, living in the EU. We are uncertain of our future, our right to remain living here. Many of us did not even have a vote in the referendum. We are considered British enough to pay taxes in the UK, but not enough to vote. Meanwhile foreign students, studying in British universities, were able to vote. That’s UK law, not EU law - but I digress...
Then there are those EU citizens living in the UK, who are constantly hearing from their friends “we don’t mean you, of course, but...”. They are packing up, leaving, going home - ask any labour-intensive farmer, or hospital...

There are none - that’s the whole point!! The borders are around the EU as a whole. Hence the Blue channel at airports, etc. Eurotunnel is going to be interesting, come November...

Umm, no. That may be what is being said... but .... That’s not happening. I can give you a hands-on, embedded-reporter from an EU-27 country report, to tell you that is not happening.

 

I dont think its simple, I might come across as a bit simple some times, but this aint.

Yes I can see how it might affect you, and I hope it doesn't to any great degree.
But a lot of that is down to the EU as well, they can make a deal, if they really want to.

I was really trying to say that apparently the default situation is we leave the EU on 31st Oct, that is unless Bo Jo goes on bended knee and asks for yet another pointless extension, which I have no doubt the EU would grant.

But if Bo Jo doesn't, the Brit government has said they will not put a hard border in across Ireland, the only ones saying they will is the EU, as far as I know

 

I wasn’t having a go at you @pete honest! If you look, I said “simples!”, not “simple” (what I love about the series of meerkat adverts is that the word “simples” is used where things should be simple, but life/the market/politicians have conspired to make it exceedingly complicated. Oops - about to wander into another advertising mine field!!).
It will/has already affected us - in the not-knowing for 3 years as much as anything. How severely is yet to be discovered.

Of course BoJo isn’t going to worry about higher-standard goods coming across the border, in the same way as Mexico isn’t worrying about an influx of Americans. (Not saying that Americans are of higher-standard in any way to Mexicans - quick disclaimer added, as two Leffes mean I can’t find a better example). The “quality” trade is in the other direction... The EU don’t want the Irish border to be where substandard goods come across a weak border, probably being dropped into Northern Ireland for the sole purpose of getting onto the European market.

 

No, I didn't think you was having a go at me, but I do look at things mostly from my angle, but then I think we all do.
Meerkats, I love them.

But as far as I know the Eastern end of the EU borders are leaking like a sieve, but not something I know much about, there was an awful lot of human traffic some time ago, mostly heading to Germany, thank you Mrs Merkel.

But I really do think the EU are just being downright awkward, and using the Irish border as a stick to bash us with, instead of trying to come to a proper negotiated agreement.
The Irish PM is no help whatsoever, but then, why should he be.
Apart from the fact we bailed them out when they went broke trying to keep up with the Euro.

 

Why oh why don’t our politicians give Boris a chance? Tying his hands just as they did with Theresa May. And the Libdems!!! ....what hypocritical opportunists they are. Cable kept saying he respected the referendum yet campaigns for a re run!! They hope we will forget their disastrous role in government not so long ago
The EU recognises we are divided and that Boris is prob bluffing.
Politicians are the most disingenuous self serving collection of twerps and we deserve so much better

 

Yep agree, they are lining up to thwart Boris, they always will.
Was not a fan of Boris but he needs to be backed up by our lot, but they are still going for a no Brexit, regardless of what any of the snakes say.

 

Perhaps a bit off course. I have just listened to the Labour second in command, Donnell. I may be mistaken but, somehow much of his dialogue seems to be Communistic.

 

A lot of the blame needs to be laid at Camerons doorstep. He was so cocksure we would vote remain that he made no plans for leaving. Theresa May was dropped right in the mire by him, but did her best to sort it out. When it comes down to it the UK spends MORE in Europe than Europe spends in the UK. So No Deal will be to our advantage.