Converting a pond for wildlife..

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  1. Daveo56

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    Hi I currently have a pre formed plastic pond with steep sides leading to a shelf and a deeper section in the middle (about 5ft length & 3ft depth).
    The pond is quite old and possibly leaking slightly, I was planning to clear the area around it and lay a rubber liner on top of the plastic pond.
    What I would really like to do is make it more of a wildlife pond (I don’t have fish) with gradual sloping sides.
    Any suggestions as to what I could put under the new liner to mould it to a more appropriate shape, any help much appreciated
     
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      Sand or soil would be my choice to make the slope less steep.
       
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        Alternatively you could put the liner in first and then backfill with sand or aquatic soil. That way you would hide the liner and create a layer for plants to grow and beasties to live
         
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          Thanks for that I wasn’t that aware of aquatic soil would it hold its shape when submerged in water
           
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            Thanks for your reply
             
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            Put the liner in full sun or inside to warm it up first. Makes it far more flexible and easier to fit with less creases..
            Visit a local pond and get a bucket of water from it and put it in your pond a day after yours is filled which will bring your tap water pond to liife. Make sure you dont get any pond weed in it because its a right pain in the ass.
            Get a couple oxygenators in there too, makes the water better for any life..
             
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              Hi,
              perhaps you could take the pre-formed plastic pond out and just shape the sides of the hole to create more gentle slopes, and then lay the flexible liner. That would give you the freedom to create the shape you want.

              Liners are often sold together with an underlay, which is basically just a weed suppressing mesh to keep sharp roots and stones from pressing through. If you have sharp bits in the soil, an old carpet apparently would work well, or a layer of sand.

              I just used the underlay that came with the liner and it has been fine.

              Wildlife will come even if the sides are steep if the conditions are favourable. Our first pond was a large plastic plant pot buried in the soil, the first summer we got our first resident toad :)

              Shallow areas are great for birds and other creatures though.

              If you take the old preformed pool out you can use it to make it a great raised bed/ super-sized container. :)
               
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                Can I just make an observation that "Aquatic Soil" and "Aquatic Compost" are both ordinary soil and compost with the nurients removed. I used soil that I dug up when digging out my pond back in '93 to fill in the integral Bog Garden in the pond and it had no detrimental effect whatsoever. When digging out the pond I was continually advised to use "Aquatic Soil" for the Bog Garden, and "Aquatic Compost" for the 20 odd Marginal plant basketS which would have cost a fortune to fill in a 22' long, 5' wide, and 3' 6"deep gap between the dry brick wall and the bank. At that time the late great Geof Hamilton pointed out that the names "Aquatic Soil" for the pond and "Aquatic Compost"for use in the baskets planted with Marginal plants were merely a marketing ploy where basically all the nutrients had been removed so you were paying more for the "Aquatic" items that had less in them, whereas garden soil was free, had less nutrients that you were led to believe, and ordinary General Purpose compost cost far less than and did the same job in the baskets, so I took his advice and used the ordinary stuff.........I didn't have trouble then or over the life of the pond.
                 
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                  Hello. I have just joined. I am following this conversation with great interest as I am currently planning a pond. It won't be huge, but I have bought a 5x6m liner, so it will be a reasonable size. I was unsure about filling the pond with a layer of soil after fitting the liner. Talking of Geoff Hamilton, I have several excellent books by him and in one of them he shows a step-by-step guide to making a pond. He advocates putting soil on top of the liner before filling with water and acknowledges that this approach differs from others. I am inclined to follow his method. Any thoughts on this? Would the soil I have excavated do the job? Should I mix it with sand / small pebbles etc.? Many thanks.
                   
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                    Hi, Bill, firstly a definite no:nonofinger: to the addition of sand and/or small pebbles. The idea of adding sieved, i(f you can), garden soil is that the soil is alive with micro organisms which will give your pond a good start and help balance the water. An inch of soil covering the bottom of the pond will be enough for that purpose.
                    Geof Hamiliton is still a Hero of mine and his approach to making a wildlife pond was one that I followed when making mine back in '93. One of his idea was to actually integrate a bog garden into the pond rather than next to it. So, following his advice and idea, before filling the pond with water I built a dry brick wall along the length of the pond about 6' from the bank. I filled the gap between the dry brick wall and the bank with garden soil and, already having put an inch of soil on the bottom of the pond, I filled the pond with water. The water seeped between the bricks to feed the Bog Garden and has done so since then......a great idea from Geof.
                    Don't forget to make a shelf around the pond about 10" deep and 10" wide for marginal plants They will use the natural nutrients in the pond water to grow and will help keep the water clear without the use of filters, etc.:coffee:
                     
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                      Thank you so much for the very prompt and informative answer. Invaluable advice and a great welcome to the forum. Essentially I'm aiming at creating a small, informal wildlife pond with a 'shore', some cover and 'shelves' for plants, as you suggest. Yes, I'd like to make a bog garden too, but I'd need to give that a bit more thought. I am also considering a few other ideas, such as a floating island. Anyone tried one of those?
                       
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                        They're a good idea for a large pond/lake, but originally were used to protect wildfowl from predators, but I'm not so sure that they would fit and suit a smallish pond.:dunno: But every pond is different to how a person wants it to be. Mine is around 22' X 12' and specifically made for attracting pond life so I've over planted the marginals, the banks and the Bog Garden. all of which take nutrients out of the water keeping it clear.:coffee:
                         
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                          Thank you again. That'll give me plenty to think about.
                           
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