Brexit -am I stupid or what

Good morning @ARMANDII my good friend I need a cup of tea just reading all it all but seriously I concur with everything that your above post says,its my post of the week

 

I'm also annoyed that the politicians seem to think the British people are incapable of muddling through a piffling fallout on exit from the eu. Scenes from HoC last night were more embarrassment

 

EU puts Ireland's commissioner who called Boris Johnson 'unelected' in charge of negotiating Brexit trade deal with UK

 

Well, that sounds "encouraging" and "promising" to me, Loofah, or am I being over optimistic??

 

Agreed.

Do you mean David Cameron, clanless?? Cameron only put the Referendum forward because the previous Conservative Governments had been promising it for years but never did anything about it. So it was only increasing pressure on Cameron that made him give in to having a Referendum, and the fact that he was convinced that everyone would vote remain. Once the result turned out to be the opposite to what he wanted, he immediately resigned so he could watch Cricket.

 

@ARMANDII - I think that @clanless is referring to David Cameron going to the EU to seek some degree of reform, which had he been successful would have averted him calling a referendum. As seems to be the way with the EU, the answer was nein/non and he was sent home with his tail between his legs.

 

Thanks, FC, and my apologies to clanless My brain is only working every now and then today..........well, that's my excuse. As we can see from 3 years of the EU constantly overriding every negotiation that the UK has had with them and saying NO , then Cameron had fat chance of getting any thing positive from the EU.

 

I think Mr Watson may have a point - Labour deputy urges Brexit vote before election

Jezza has no actual plan, same as all the rest, to get out of the EU and this at least gives a clear direction for Labour. In effect, it would provide a second referendum - Tory = leave, Labour = remain. JC should do it. He won't.

 

Oh FFS. Judges rule Parliament suspension is unlawful

 

It's not consequential, Loofah, as it's only on the point of Boris proroguing Parliament for longer than the normal period, but he is well within the Constitution to do so. So, we're still in the period where numerous Law Suits will be put forward on this or that point, but Courts can't and don't have the power to change Parliamentary Constitution and therefore such a Court decision is only an opinion...........which can be contested, should the Government see fit leading to more murky water........but all the time it's still a case of.................



Tick tock, tick tock.

 

Well, they've got more desperate as the 31st October relentlessly gets nearer, loli.

No, loli, they're questioning the advice given to the Queen by Boris's Government. The Queen relies on the facts and recommendations of the Government and it's very rare that a Queen to deny the request of the Government....so she cannot be regarded as an "accessory". So, while the Scottish Court decision is only effective in Scotland it is now being pushed to the UK Supreme Courts to have the final say. Their rulings can override all previous lower Court rulings in Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland on appeal. Should the Supreme Court agree with the Scottish Court then we're into unprecedented legal country as the Supreme Court will have to consider whether (a) They regard the whole Proroguing unlawful, (b) They decide if just the Proguing period is beyond the normal standards of precedence i.e: a few days or up to around 2 weeks (c) If the Government gave the Queen the whole facts or gave her facts that were designed to lean towards the extended period of Proguing.
The Supreme Courts are just that, Supreme, and they are the end of the line for any case although they do have the right to say Yay or Nay to an application for an Appeal.

Let's face it,the Queen is highly intelligent, very much aware of what has been going on, and would probably have needed no persuasion to approve the extended proroguing. We're now into territory that "no man or Parliament has gone before" and so if the Supreme Courts, which are I know, completely independent judge the Proguing unlawful then I have no idea what will happen next, although I suspect Boris is not the one to give up.