Brexit -am I stupid or what

I did make a similar comment by actually quoting from the report where it said the questions asked we not relevant to the conclusion. I'm not really clear the purpose of the report when it negates itself! Unfortunately a lot of reports on all types of subjects are meaningless - apart from people making a living out of producing meaningless reports. What? Me cynical? Never!!!

 

I agree that he was declared sane in legal terms, I said he had mental health issues. Murder of Jo Cox - Wikipedia

Whether you intended it or not, that is the only inference that can be drawn from the following, particularly making mention of foreigners.

With reference to the last of those posts, that has been bandied about previously on social media, whilst calling leave voters Nazis, racist, far-right extremists and so on. Just by way of demonstrating how warped these sort of tactics are - Anna Soubry took a man to court for calling her a Nazi in the street, yet she now goes on TV calling leave voters Nazis, Xenophobes, fascist and racist. David Lammy has also done the same (and worse).

For clarity, the Nazi party were a socialist party and their ideals were to take over control of the entirety of Europe; anyone that did not agree with their politics were shouted down, crushed, bullied, killed or maimed; Hitler started initially as a 'caretaker' leader, and once established they refused to accept the result of democratic votes. Surely I can't be the only one to see parallels with the remain camp here?

 

Eu is apparently open to an extension :( I know they want us to stay but I was hoping to be put out of our brexit misery!

 

Hi noisette, well, that is incorrect, Visas to travel in the EU will not be required by UK Citizens but they will need, from 2021, to pay 7 euro (£6.30p) every 3 years for a document known as the ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System) which is just another source of income for the EU. So, until the end of the transition period in 2020 UK residents will be able travel freely within the EU.

Again, Noisette, that was a threat issued by the EU in the initial stages of "negotiations" but the EU has recognised the folly of that as British Security Intelligence is very important to the EU and they will still co-operate. One factor is that the UK has good links with the US Intelligence Services which the EU has not and will be able to pass on Intelligence to the EU, acting as a link, with US agreement, between the US and the EU. Regarding UK/EU research programs it has already been agreed that so long as the UK keeps contributing financially to those programs nothing will change

Well, I hope you don't believe that I have been invective in any of my posts but I sincerely apologise if I have ever given you that impression. In a seemingly endless "negotiation" period such as BREXIT there will always be abusive language by groups of people on both sides of the argument in the UK and also in the EU. Instead of there being a fair agreement reached quickly and amicably the UK was given an agreement which will tie it into the EU until the EU agreed to release it, The EU knew full well that that agreement was not viable unless ratified by the UK, which it wasn't, but stated then, and still are, that that was the only deal and has stubbornly refused to renegotiate the unratifide agreement because it contains mostly conditions that favour the EU. The only part of the two part agreement that the EU will agree to "negotiate" is the political "frippery" which is none binding, but will not agree to any changes within the legally binding section of the treaty which, because of the Back Stop, binds us to the EU until the EU decides to release the UK.......which could be years and years. A lot of the bad feeling is that there is a strong belief that the EU want's to show other EU members the hard line taken with BREXIT will happen to them should they wish to leave. That and the fact there is a genuine belief that the EU has been uncompromising and negotiating with a attitude of being in charge of negotiations instead of being even handed and showing respect to the UK. So there is bad feeling in the UK and the EU from MPs and the "Man on the Street, amplified by the extremist Media and Political organisations both in the UK and the EU.
I cannot emphasise enough that the UK joined the EU in 1973 for trading purposes only and that the EU was created for that purpose only, but we have all seen that the EU has mutated into an unelected body able to pass legislation superior to any of the EU members National legislation, controlling their budgets, national security, the way they live etc.............that was not, and is not,what we joined the EU for. But we have a Prime Minister and Government that is prepared to take the UK out of the EU despite all the political walls and barriers that the EU has put up. Yes, there will be a tough, rough period while we change the relationship but, hopefully, the EU (of which more than one country is either in or on the brink of a Recession) will recognise the need to not introduce unnecessary punitive delays and paperwork as it will damage the EU members as much financially and trade wise as the UK.

 

Well, if the Supreme Court rules against Boris's proroguing taking it to 14th October (gaining on 5 days extra of keeping Parliament closed) then Parliament will be back next Tuesday and will go into Recession a couple of days later on the 14th September until the 9th October. Some MP's will want to cancel Recession but the Party Leaders will not as the Recession period is where the Parties do election campaigning, Party meetings, etc and regard them as vital.

 

I understand your argument, my good friend, but again smuggling only become defined when a taxable tariffed border exists. In it's present state the Irish border is none taxible or tariffed and the UK gains no income for goods passing through and the UK wants to maintain that state. So, where does the problem lie if the UK does not want to create a trading border or gain finances from taxes and tariffs? The problem comes from the EU not wanting to recognise that maintaining the status quo and keeping a none taxable, tariff free border. A border does not necessarily have to attract taxes and tariffs, and the EU's Back Stop position is not about "smuggling" but keeping the UK under it's control for years and years because the cessation of the Back Stop, if requested by the UK, cannot happen without the EU's agreement.
As I've tried to point out a border in a state of mind, created by us, with unneeded taxes and tariffs created by us, all the bureaucratic paperwork ,restrictive border controls created by us. We can create an open border one day where goods pass freely and then the following day, because of political differences and agendas, create a closed border where taxes and tariffs can be used as a weapon to show other countries the way they would be treated. The UK does not want Taxes and Tariffs on either side after BREXIT but, like a certain US President, the EU is using such things for political purposes rather than security or trading benefits whatever reasons are presented.