Brexit -am I stupid or what

Hi Sian, my point is that it is an open, untaxed, untariffed border, not that is no border......although, in effect, trade wise the border does not exist while politically it does.

Which leads to my other point that it is all about a state of mind, straight bananas or bent bananas and levels of trust between trading nations.

Believe me, Sian, there has already been talks about US standards of food quality from chlorinated Chickens to Genetically altered Corn, andd it has been made clear that there will be no drop in present trading standard,etc. There is one glaring thing that seems to be missed by those opposed to BREXIT whether in the UK or the EU and that is to continue trading with the EU we, and the EU, have to keep to the present trading standards so every time the EU raises or alters those standard the UK will have to abide by them to export to EU Europan countries .....so why does the EU need to place taxes and tariffs on a country exactly meeting the EU trading standards? Each Country that the UK trades with will have different food standards and that will need individual trade agreements where mutual trade item standards are met and understood and the UK could not export those imported to the EU. ...........but it does not need taxes and tariffs, or Political subservience to trade across borders as it does with the EU. Borders are borders agreed but taxes and tariffs are used for protectionism by both the USA and the EU...........The UK does not want to do that, we want to trade safely and freely.

 

No, that does not follow, my friend, control of immigration should not be mixed up with trading agreements, although it is being so by Remainers. The open Irish Border is not being used by Immigrants now to slip through, so continuing the open border status quo would not change that as Ireland has to stick to the EU rules and regulations which would stop immigrants entering Ireland for that purpose as it does now
There is a border and the English Channel between the UK and Europe, but that does not, and has not, stopped illegal entry from France to the UK even though we are still bona fide EU members.

 

Well, I see that's a bent banana in your ear, pete.

 

Which is what this is nearly all about, Perki, the EU is playing hard nosed and placing unagreeable barriers in the "negotiations" where they have openly stated that they will not renegotiate a unratified deal that only suits them...........as they want to remain in control over the rest of the 27 other EU member countries while trying to keep the uk tied to the EU. We just want to make our own decisions and trade freely with whom we want.

 

Hi clanless, the main problem is not people control, but trading, as we do now, across a tax and tariff free open border. Agreed, the Irish Government, wanting reunifaction with NI will want to emphasise security issues. but if they keep the open border as it is now there will be no issues. It is, as I said, the open border being used as a Political weapon, as by changing from a open border to a hard border due to a political policy not by an Independent Ireland but by an unelected organisation in Europe which is pulling Ireland's security and trading strings a EU organisation can cause a problem for a EU country while sitting and drinking coffee in Belgium or France.

 

I think there is a better than average chance that the whole house of cards will come crashing down before too long, once we have left. Think about it - the UK is currently a net contributor, and equates to 18 smaller member states all combined; our departure, particularly if they don't agree sensible terms, is going to hit them hard. Germany is up to its eyeballs in financial strife, and is owed a shed-load of money by others. France is not in much better state. Without our money going in, it cannot continue as it has, and I believe it will fail.

How the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland is handled remains to be seen - I see no reason why the trading of goods across that border needs to change, as @ARMANDII has already pointed out our exports will be compliant anyway assuming that we wish to continue trading in the EU. Whilst I accept @Sian in Belgium's example, my counter argument there would be the amount of non-compliant garbage that is already making its way into the EU (and indeed being sold from warehouses within the EU) that has been made in places like China. It is very easy for these companies to whack a CE mark on something, but that mark does not make the goods compliant.

 

Actually, Lori, we had the same Fowl problem here in the UK (while still in the EU) and it was the UK that cried Foul and brought it to the attention of the EU and it took nearly 2 years to get agreement from the numerous levels of EU bureaucratic Councils to get a proper trading standard to ban injected Fowl.

 

Two words - Horse Meat