Brexit -am I stupid or what

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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Personally I think the Jo Cox connection is sinking pretty low when used against Brexit, it is a totally different problem.
    MPs may have had death threats, I tend to think its part of modern living with social media etc.

    Often so called celebs get death threats these days, and they are just in the entertainment business, loosely.:biggrin:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Boris has had a few along with Moggy, it comes with the job these days.

    If you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
     
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      It's been hours of debate now and they're still just banging on about language... I wonder if there's any examples where other MP's may have used phrases and language along the lines of Boris?
       
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        I don't get it, Loofah, what line of language?:scratch:. We've all watched a MP ask a specific question to past Prime Ministers, of all colours, who replied in a statement that never came close to referring to the subject matter, usually referring to the other sides past incidents, without giving a direct, honest, clear, and bold answer to the Oppositions attacks. Boris is speaking like You, I, or pete (sorry, pete:heehee:) would, standing where Boris stands, so what is the problem in the way he is handling Parliament.?:doh: Is it because he is the first Prime Minister ever to stand there and directly answer a hostile question in blunt, honest words rather than give an answer in the usual political Parliamentary language that avoids giving an answer that would embarrass the Government??.....all while the MP's across the House are screaming insults, oaths, etc.
         
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          He is and they're twisting and creating a situation to their own ends but I'm absolutely certain that MPs of all parties have used terms such as 'traitor', 'surrender' etc without any fuss at all
           
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            "They" being do that for the last 3 years in order to avoid leaving the EU despite that being the result of the Referendum.:wallbanging::dunno:
             
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            pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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            The British Parliament is finished as far as I'm concerned, the Mother of Parliaments is now dead.
            RIP. :biggrin:
            I was tending to think our system was broke for years.
            I'm thinking this shower have just proved that.

            They cant and wont make a decision one way or the other.
            Totally disgusting bunch of so called representatives.
             
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              I think parliament should be prorogued again......

              They were all dragged back to parliament to get 'on with the job' and yet this is the second day wasted on listening to meaningless wibble about 'Language' and even MP's 'tone of voice'...it's pathetic...
              Corbyn is an agitator nothing more nothing less why are folk not seeing through this ?

              Annnd here I go....this is just my own opinion so feel free to get on your high horses...
              Butttt....I'm fed up to the back teeth of Women MP's making a big issue about being a 'woman' and being hard done by..What happened to them spouting off about everyone being equal..why should everyone have to pussy foot around in fear of not being able to say Boo without being branded as sexist.
               
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                Sorry for not reading all the replies but I've just had a truly crap trip back from Frankfurt! I got to the airport and discovered that I had picked up Libbies passport and not mine :doh: It took some explaining as to why a fifty year old bloke was trying to pass himself off as a 29 year old woman :dunno: Thus a trip back across the city to collect my passport, missed the next available flight and ended up leaving at lunchtime instead of 8am :gaah:

                Anyway;
                1] The border issue. The great mantra of the leave camp is to "regain control of our borders" and I agree that given time there are alternatives in place for goods. But this cannot be acheived in such a ridiculously short time frame. But none of the moaners have addressed the issue of people. The ROI is part of the EU so free movement - no land border on Ireland means no control over people movement. But putting a land border up is a real risk to the peace that the Good Friday Agreement bought - nothing is worth a return to the trouble.

                2] The Supreme Court Ruling. Sorry, but everyone has to obey the law of the land be they the general population, the law keepers or the law makers. Being PM does not xclude you from the laws of the land and BoJo and his fanboys should just be thankful that he is not (yet?) the subject of a police investigaion for Misconduct In A Public Office which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. The court have not taken over government of the land, merely upheld the law.

                Once again, just my thoughts on the matters.
                 
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                  I sort of understand where it came from @lolimac, as parliament was one of those establishments that was dominated by men; this has changed a lot over the years, although there are still more men than there are women. But, I also agree that it does seem to be being made into a bigger issue than perhaps it should be? Surely the whole time we are singling out any group (be that for gender, sexuality, religion, race or otherwise), we are guilty of an 'ism' of some form or another - - surely, it would be better to strive for everyone to be treated the same?

                  With respect to all the goings on about language, that is an attempt to smear Boris to the utmost degree - sadly, they are not very good at it (despite the likes of the BBC playing along) - - it is being portrayed that he used Jo Cox's name in such a way that he was pulling it out of the blue and for pure political gain. I watched the speeches last night, and that is hugely twisted, as in actual fact it was a Labour MP who referred to her death, inferring that it was Boris' language that was being spouted back at her with terms such as traitor etc being used, and that she had received death threats - - it was that reference to Jo Cox's death that Boris responded to, simply stating that the best way to honour her memory in his opinion was to get on and deliver Brexit and start healing the country. Boris shouldn't have brushed off the fact that death threats have been made against MP's as 'humbug' - there can be no reason, ever, that any MP should be receiving death threats. Many people do feel terribly betrayed by our elected MP's, and are (quite understandably in my view) angry at the way that betrayal has taken place, but to resort to making death threats against them or their families is just not on.

                  They are, however, not immune from criticism and a bit of spleen venting - that is part of the job of being an MP - it comes with the territory, so if they can't handle it they shouldn't be there.

                  Sadly, it is those that are shouting the loudest at the moment that are amongst the most guilty - we have had opposition MP's making statements along the lines of 'beheading' Boris, and not a squeak was heard from them when a rapper held up a fake severed Boris head on stage at a music venue - - but Boris calls Hilary Benn's bill a Surrender Act (which it is) and the opposition have a meltdown.
                   
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                    Were you in Drag, longk?
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                    They've had 3 years to sort that out:doh:, but some temporary form could be used while establishing proper techncial means.
                    Not to mention being hung, drawn and quartered or, even worse having to spend time with Corbyn and listening to him shouting "Resign, Resign, so I can be the next Prime Minister, raising taxes and letting the hard left extremists rule the country.

                    Not quite accurate, the principle long recognised is that Courts, including the Supreme Courts. are responsible for enforcing Criminal and Civil legislation and not Political. But we are in tulmultous times where Politicians are passing legislation against each other in order to gain supremacy over the others, where private individuals funded by Political and Commercial organisation are attempting to use the Courts in a political area. The Supreme Courts were placed in a historically unique position where pressure was applied by powerful organisations to break the long observed precedence of not interfering in Political matters. The fact that the Courts had to reach back into the 14th, 15th, and 16th century for precendence shows that they had no modern grounds with which to compare and shows that, unfortunately, these chaotic times are causing problems for long established rules to be broken.
                     
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                      As good as I look in her little red teddy.....................
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                      ....................I would have fooled no-one :lunapic 130165696578242 5:

                      Yet still no mention about how to get over the issue of people movements...........

                      Not quite accurate either. Part of its brief when it came into being in 2009 was to hear cases of the greatest public or constitutional importance affecting the whole population. It replaced the Judicial function of the House Of Lords.

                      Or it demonstrates that the Judiciary has been in the thrall of its paymasters for several centuries and not the population at large. It is not there to make up or support government policy, simply to uphold the law.
                       
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                        I agree to a point FC...but Women spouting their mouths off ...Why ? we surely have nothing to prove so what's the big issue..Just get on with your job... I'm afraid I'm from the old school and all this wibble just grates.
                        I find it totally uncalled for why Joe Cox was even brought up in this situation and like you say it was a Labour member that did it...but Boris gets the blame..
                        I hope to gawd Larry the downing street cat doesn't get pregnant because BOJO will get the blame for that too..:biggrin:
                         
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                          So you do wear it??:hate-shocked: :dunno::whistle::heehee::loll::lunapic 130165696578242 5: I wear the black ones.:dunno:
                           
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                            Oooo matron...:biggrin:
                             
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                              pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                              Are judges upholding the law, or making it?;)
                              I thought Parliament made the laws, well they seem to be coming up with new ones fairly regularly these days.

                              I hadn't realised Boris was getting the blame for bringing the Jo cox murder into this, I knew all along it was a labour MP.
                               
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