Brexit -am I stupid or what

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  1. noisette47

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    That sounds very like the scheme that Macron is promoting at the moment. If 'promoting' is the right word. The only people gaining employment are the thousands of cold-callers bombarding people with up to 20 unsolicited phone calls per day. All totally indiscriminate...most lucky recipients of these calls aren't eligible for the much-vaunted 'insulate your home for €1'. Most of my friends and acquaintances have disconnected their fixed-line phones as a result.
     
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      It's a scheme to create a bubble that is short lived and damaging but sounds good in sound bites. Utter rubbish and I fully expect all parties to have their own versions!

      I'd like a gameshow - party leader in a 'Millionnaire' type arrangement and the host takes a proposal or bit from the manifesto to asks the party leader explain it. Industry and legal beagles should be on hand to say if numbers or assumptions are correct and if the response isn't good enough the leader is given the opportunity for their dept head (eg person in charge of housing) to explain again over the phone... Haven't thought of anything outside electric shock for their plans being demonstrated to be complete nonsense though....
       
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        Only just seen this, sorry - I would agree that you are a real thinking person regardless of the way you vote; I am reasonably sure that @daitheplant was not inferring otherwise.
         
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          Genuine question as the Sturgeon is off on one again - can the SNP actually be the government of the UK? In theory...
           
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            I think that could only happen if they went into a coalition with Labour/Liberal Democrats, and even then....

            I wouldn't trust wee Krankie to run a bath let alone a country.
             
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              No I meant that if they won sufficient votes then could they, gusp, actually run the UK as the Scottish National Party based in Westminster?
               
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                Thankfully, no - even if they won every single seat in Scotland (129) that would only represent roughly 20% of the total seats in parliament, which is not enough to form a government.

                Whilst the Biased Broadcasting Company are currently giving the slippery auld fish a lot of air time, the truth is that there is quite a lot of disquiet in Scotland over the way that SNP are running the country, not least the way that the NHS in Scotland is performing, the huge deficit that the government is running, and their continual focus on Indyref2 - I have a feeling that if folks vote taking account issues other than Brexit, then the SNP could get a drubbing. If they do vote based purely on Brexit, then the SNP will do a bit better, but even then if what I am hearing is correct, they still won't win as much as they think they will.
                 
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                  Phew. I thought it sounded wrong but wanted to check. Sturgeon, after Jo Swinson whinged about not being included in ITV debate and securing a new debate with just her (yep) with Sky News, has been dripping about being the 3rd largest party and why oh why is she not invited?!

                  Very much along the lines of other parties without a plan - shout a lot, promise everything and focus on berating other parties policies rather than promoting their own.

                  Also, how on earth have the yelows devised this guff? - "Lib Dem deputy leader Ed Davey says cancelling Brexit will give the country £50bn to spend on public services over the next five years because the UK will have a larger economy if it stays in the EU." (BBC)
                   
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                      Absolute classic FC..Love it..:loll::thumbsup:
                       
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                        Can someone explain to me why a country of less than 6 million people can actually have 20% of the votes in Parliament?
                        This just shows to me the totally undemocratic democracy that we are struggling under, and why the system is busted.
                         
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                          A lot of the old establishment "Soldiers" are deciding there is no future for them in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party. Ken Clarke, Hammond etc making up the more than 60 MP's leaving before the General Election. To be honest it's not enough and a couple of hundred, at least, need to leave, but with a new Speaker of the House who seems to be a reasonably decent guy, those leaving will bring in, hopefully, new faces with new thinking that is/will change Parliament for the better...........well, you can always hope:dunno::heehee::cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
                           
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                            It is caused by two things as far as I can tell - mainly the fact that the UK is split into seats the size of which can vary in terms of the voters served, and then made worse by our first past the post system. Proportional representation would certainly be fairer in my view, but then it would also require a vast change to the rules of majority as to who forms a government. Needed, most definitely.
                             
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                              I think a lot of them are leaving before they get the push - they know full well that if they stand for re-election, even as an independent, they are not going to get back in. They have essentially refused the instruction that was given to them by the people that employ them.
                               
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                                Hi Pete, all constituencies in the UK are based on an area that holds around 70,000 voters ( I'm sorry I can't remember the exact figure). That's why , every so often there are boundary changes. So it is a totally democratic system.
                                 
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