Corona Virus Treatment

It would be interesting to see those deaths with further qualification, such as:

- Age ranges
- Sex (don't say yes please!)
- Underlying Health Condition (and what they are broken down into a few groups at least)
- Smoker
- Vaper
- Prior travel involved (half term holiday in Italy for example)
- Death from something else not able to be operated on or treated because of the pandemic
- Total deaths from every cause, and how that compares to normal average death rates

One thing is for sure, I think it will be a VERY long time before the aviation and holiday industries recover from all of this - and cruise lines even longer I would suggest. I would not want to be anywhere near a cruise ship holiday, even if I were paid to go!

 

Ahh, that's not the same thing, FC. What he's saying that those NHS Staff who suspected they had Covid 19, or actually, had it and are in self isolation, can be tested to see if they did have it or are cleared by the test to be now clear of it can now go work to the Hospitals etc to work. So, what they're saying cleared Staff can go back to work where they're urgently needed, but they don't guarantee that they won't contract it again.
There's a NHS Doctor and a practising GP just been on TV complaining that they both have had Covid 19 and believe that they are clear of it but can't go back to work until they've been tested and, as the NHS Doctor said "unless i have the correct PPC there's no guarantee that I won't catch it again and be in the same position again."

And therein lies the problem as the Professors driving the logic behind the Health Science are not supporting the assumption that those who have had Covid 19 have developed a immune system where they will not contract it again. What the Politicians say is one thing but I prefer to listen to scientific facts and opinions rather than a Politician or Spokesman giving out calming, vague, comments designed to comfort people.......and "literal" is not the same as clear, transparent, medically backed advice.

 

That's the important statistic. How many deaths 'with underlying factors' would have been expected to die anyway and how many died in the same period last year.

 

It's a good job that we don't have to listen the US presentations on their Covid 19 situation and how they're all doing a "tremendous, really tremendous, and great, really great job" as they continue to parade all the CEO's of all the Corporates while the CEO's make sure that they tell the President how "tremendous, really tremendous, and great, really great job" he's doing and how honoured they are to be in his presence, which takes up more time than telling the people any facts of what is going.
I have to admit I have a growing admiration for the independence of the New York Mayor, who speaks frankly, honestly, clearly and with compassion while not hiding the facts or what the plans are to get New York through the crisis, and he takes no rubbish from Trump.

 

Just keep the agreed social distance, pete, and we'll both live through it.

 

Let's make this very easy - listen to exactly the sentence that he says from the point that I have linked to. Whilst listening to that sentence, take your legal/judge room head off and listen to it through the ears of someone who has heard that sentence whilst peeling that tatties for dinner through the kitchen door........

And I quote "And then secondly, if they have had the virus, it is likely that once they get over the infection they will be immune, and that is really important to know as they come back to work"



Now, whilst I can fully accept that they are saying they will need to be tested, my point was made in reference to @Loofah's post which asked the question if people who have had (or worse still believe they have had) the virus will then believe they are immune and as such want to be out and about. So yes, I can can see how someone upon hearing that sentence and being in that position may arrive at the conclusion that they are immune and OK to go out. I am not saying they would be right to do so, but I can understand their thought process.

I think it has to be borne in mind that folks are now so sick and tired of hearing this stuff that they skim-listen at best, and therefore will take out whatever messages they feel are pertinent to them; whether they have heard the full message, or whether they interpret that message in the same way you or even I would, is open to debate.

Would they be the same doctors have have been whining about PPE on the BBC only to completely miss the point that there has been and is being millions of units being delivered by the army, and secondly the simple fact that the entire world is currently queuing up to buy PPE? Of course there is a shortage, and if a doctor hasn't got the intelligence to work that one out, then I am more worried about their ability to practice than anything else!

Accepted, however it was Stephen Powis making the statement as you can see - not a politician, but the National Medical Director for England who is also a Professor of Renal Medicine - not a politician - or is he not sufficiently medically qualified for your liking?

 

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You see I have a problem with that,FC, and that's there's no real facts or figures behind the "millions of units" i.e. are they PPE, Masks, and Gloves and where did they go? You wouldn't get
long serving Doctors, Nurses and Health Care Assistants who are on the front line, or GP trying to protect themselves and their staff "Whining" about the lack of what they need to protect themselves, their colleagues and their families if there wasn't some truth behind it. It doesn't matter to those Doctors, Nurses and Health Care Staff whether or not the entire world is currently queuing up to buy PPE they just want to do their jobs safely with the correct equipment .

 

If you look at what he is saying it's more in hope than medical facts. What has to be accepted, at this moment, is that it would be logical to hope that some people will have developed an immune system but it is also logical to accept that a lot of people won't. I don't think you will get a lot of Medical people to agree that after contracting Covid 19 everyone is going to have an immunity to it. As I said, the medical staff going back to work, after contracting the Virus, is going back in the belief that they have no need to wear PPE and can work in normal nursing clothes again

 

It may be millions of gloves when indeed it is masks that are needed - I am not saying for one minute that all of the PPE that is needed is actually available, nor am I saying that there isn't some truth in it. Believe me, stuck in these four walls with essentially only the BBC or Sky to give me my daily dose of what I should think, I have seen all sorts of interviews from staff whining (and really being heavily led into doing so by the BBC "journalists"), but I have also seen others where those staff have responded that they haven't seen any lack of PPE.

By the letter of the law, I should have had a DSE assessment for home working, and been supplied with everything I need to allow me to do so (including desk, chair, monitor, keyboard etc), but that is simply not happening. The world and his granny has had this sprung upon them and we are all having to make do with less than ideal situations.

I agree that there should be more PPE available for our medics, but there is a global shortage - not helped by the hundreds of thousands of duff units sent out by.... China! Sods have not only given us this virus, but are now sending duff medical equipment and are profiting from us.

 

No hope in his sentence @ARMANDII - he specifically said that "it is likely" - not a guarantee, I agree, but definitely more than a hope. If that same man told me "it is likely" that I need a kidney transplant, you can bet your bottom dollar I would be needing one.

Yes, there will be outliers for sure, but if there is no immunity built up then as @pete rightly pointed out there would be no use in antibody testing as there is no antibodies without immunity. There is the risk of mutation, just as the flu mutates, but that is not the current issue - the current issue is ending the pandemic as we currently have it, and if we cannot build immunity and allow ourselves to move on, then what the hell are we all doing living like hermits?

 

So now's the time to get all the companies that can to start making masks and plastic PPC. There's a huge plastic bin/waste bag and continuous sheet Manufacturer only 15 miles from me wanting to make PPE and having to fight to get through all the layers of official rubbish to get approval. All they need is the specs for the masks and the PPE and, they say, they could make thousands every day without a problem.....but they're not getting any sense out of those supposed to be approving the design. There's also hundreds of small engineering companies who could engineer parts by the thousand if given the clearance. We've got the Genius, the resources, and the ability to make all of it in hundreds of thousands within days. It does help when Company pointed that they have plenty of masks in stock but not accepted by NICE so they are exporting them to Medical Organisations in Europe.