Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. clanless

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    Well, at least it was easy to maintain the 2m social distancing when he was en-route:

    A pilot flew from Surrey to Anglesey on the Spring Bank Holiday "to go to the beach", a report has revealed.
     
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      Oh Boris. The boffins are telling you that it's too early to ease lock down - it looks like the decision you've taken to open schools is based upon the fact that it's the start of a new school term. You need to keep following the scientific advice - listen to those who know more about the virus than you do.
       
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        And that would be who, clanless???:scratch::dunno::doh: Most of the Scientific "experts" in the World have never dealt with Covid 19 in reality or know anything about it:wallbanging: It appears to be a Virus that is new to the World and all Computer models built to give an idea of what is, or is not, the right/wrong thing to do are built on guesswork and there is still, despite all the Media misinformation, that little is known about.
        I honestly don't believe that any Government can do Right for doing Wrong and there is no completely clear or right path to deal with this Virus, and Scientists advising the UK Government have admitted, time after time, that they are only "guessing" while watching what other Countries are doing.:cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
         
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          I look at it like this :rolleyespink: :biggrin:.... either the politicians or the scientists are wrong. I'm leaning towards the view of the scientists.

          Boris is looking at the economy - the cost of the furlough scheme and the nearly empty war chest. I'm sure that he has taken into account the view of the scientists - but on balance he accepts the risks of further transmission to get the economy back on track. I'm not sure that I would be so accepting.

          It's not entirely true to say that the scientists know nothing about Covid-19 - it is a form of Coronvirus - some of which we have already battled. This is why Oxford are so far ahead of the curve in producing a vaccine. The task here is to stop the virus spreading - and in this respect we should be well aware as to how we can do this - as we have experience of dealing with other airborne virus.

          I've said it before...I'm going to ignore the politicians when it comes to this virus - their concerns are wider than simply stopping transmission - which I'm afraid to say - Boris has just demonstrated :dunno:.

          Now, I could go further and blame Ian Blackford - but it's sunny outside ;).
           
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            Lots of people visting friends/family's no 2m's

            Well it's time to legalize breaking the rules ;)
             
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              There were about 20 people in the back garden of a house at the end our street earlier this week. People started openly ignoring the rules on VE Day and have since been taking less notice of them by the day. Mrs Scrungee has been trying to get into the village post office for a few days, but it's been packed out every time she tried.
               
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                The problem with that is that those people won't even realise that there's a good chance that, in 3 weeks time, after they've not actually known they have the Virus that they have given it to several people who will go into Hospital and possibly die, or they will have mingled with someone who also has it and then take it back home with the same result for their Family:wallbanging: We're all fed up with the Lock down and isolating but that's no reason to possibly bring the Virus back into your family or give it to someone next to you.
                One of my Nieces is a Health Carer in a Manchester Hospital and, in a phone conversation yesterday, she told me that she and all her family have had Covid 19 and been tested to confirm it. But they have discovered that the Virus wasn't brought home from the Hospital but by a friend of one of her daughters before the social distancing was in practice. This social distancing is, in my opinion, going to go on for at least a couple of years and the biggest danger to you, me, your friends and family is going to be the person(s) who is fed up with the situation and starts ignoring even the most basic, commonsense rules......and 3 weeks later someone might die because of that. People, as pointed out, are already deliberately putting themselves, their families and friends and you only have to look over the Pond to see deadly spikes of Covid 19 where different States are putting the Dollar before lives.


                Clanless, everyone knows it's a form of Corona virus.......but that's it:dunno:. It's like nothing the Medical world has encountered before regarding the family of Virus which is what Scientists have been, and are, telling us day after day and that it's a "novel" Virus that they haven't seen before. The Common Cold is part of the Corona Virus family and we know it, medically, inside out but we still haven't found a cure/vaccine for it. So, Scientists are, globally, are trying to understand the mechanics of Covid 19 but I, as yet, haven't heard one say that they really know what to do with it.
                 
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                  I agree with you @clanless politics have taken over, it will cost lives but the economy needs to be restarted.
                   
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                    That is simply the fault of the village post office. Our post office/shop only allows one in at a time at each counter (PO or shop). Anyone else trying to get in is turned away.
                     
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                      Plus those who walk in with their partner and 3 children (who immediately disperse amongst the customers already instore), when one adult could get all their shopping.

                      About time somebody started selling a remote operated door sign that displays "SHOP FULL, WAIT UNTIL A CUSTOMER LEAVES BEFORE ENTERING", and small shops started installing them and enforcing the rules.
                       
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                        Shops around here are sticking to the rules when they can, but to be honest most people aren't.

                        Neighbor's on both sides having friends and family round all the time, grand kids and mum staying for 5 days last week on one side.
                        The other side are mixing freely with the neighbouring house.
                        I'm on my own anyway so don't really mix with anyone but I think, bearing in mind both households are still working the so called lockdown is a bit of a joke and has been from the start.
                         
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                          Round here all the shops have their rules on a sign outside and they enforce the rules stringently :paladin:

                          Even in the big Sainsbury's in town I've seen them turn younger people away at wrinklies time and nobody is allowed inside until the staff at the door say so.
                           
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                            It is a farce ... like all the folk suddenly exercising or cycling. How many did all these things previously?

                            It is spookily deserted here. Just got back from Faro, about an hour each way, and I didn't see one person in their garden or on their verandah. Our little village 7kms away was deserted although the little shops were open and folk were at the couple of cafes on tables spaced apart.

                            We go into Phase 3 on Monday with shopping centers opening etc but the Government is not permitting Lisbon Metropolitan Area to go into the third phase as they have been ignoring rules, not distancing/wearing masks/large crowds/etc and their numbers have gone up. It is from Lisbon up where our activity here. Algarve has had no changes in a week holding 367 cases and 15 deaths total, we have 77% recovery, 5 in hospital and only 1 in ICU with 99 under watch.

                             
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                              I'm not sure you can use the microcosm of your neighbours, pete, to judge the national lock down as a joke. I could truthfully say that in my Grove everyone has followed the rules and say "see that proves the national lock down is not a joke", because it doesn't.
                              Why/how:dunno::wallbanging::cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee: do we justify undermining good practice by pointing to people who, obviously, do not care about the risk to themselves, their families and their friends? which, despite the tendency to say it is so, is not what the majority, rational, commonsense people are doing as though inferring everyone, or the majority are disregarding the social distancing
                               
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                                OK so I live in a microcosm as you call it, but I'm only saying what is happening next door.
                                The same is happening in the whole street, different cars arriving, mostly relatives, even had cars everywhere last weekend as someone was holding a party in the street, we dont have Groves:biggrin:
                                I'm not justifying it I'm just saying how I see it at this end.

                                But how can you tell someone who is working and meeting all kinds of people every day that they cant see relatives, stands to sense its going to be ignored.
                                I go to the supermarket and queue up with loads of other people who I dont know, but I cant go and see a relative.

                                The rap music has just started up again, that is the reality, not the stupid briefing I watch every afternoon on the TV, I dont think many people in the real world actually watch that anyway.
                                Only us wrinklies.:biggrin:
                                 
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